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originally posted by: Grimpachi
I imagine that a lot of disputes such as this could be solved if there was a educational program that covered constitutional rights and how they pertain that judges could send people to instead of having them sit in jail.
originally posted by: Grimpachi
I never excused her from doing the wrong thing and I will not be presumptuous and claim what she does or doesn't know. She has said that she is standing on her first amendment rights which she is wrong because they do not apply. I don't think it is a matter of education, I think it is a matter of understanding. I don't think she understands why she is wrong which is sad.
As far as the hateful and bigoted remarks from where I stand there is plenty of that going around from all sides. Calling someone a hateful bigot doesn't help anything.
I do not think that is really the case here anyway. Like so many others here in this thread she doesn't seem to understand the laws or how they work between federal and state or how amendment rights work.
originally posted by: Ektar
I hope no one posted this yet....
She looks like Dick Chaney!
"“It's the law of the land and as a general proposition, it seems to me you've got to go forward with it,” he said.'
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: Grimpachi
I imagine that a lot of disputes such as this could be solved if there was a educational program that covered constitutional rights and how they pertain that judges could send people to instead of having them sit in jail.
I learned this in Social Studies during Junior High which is why I find the amount of Constitution fail to be a bit mind boggling.
originally posted by: Khaleesi
As a US citizen and a Christian, she has a right to her beliefs.
She does not have a right to force her beliefs on others.
If she truly believes that her job requires her to do something against her religious beliefs, she should have resigned. Anyone that knows a job requires them to go against their beliefs should be willing to leave that job even if it causes them economic difficulties.
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: windword
or for that matter, know that sunday isn't sabbath???
sunday's the first day of the week, saturday is the 7th, the jews and the muslims hold the sabbath from friday after sundown to saturday till sundown.
CANON XXIX.
CHRISTIANS must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
originally posted by: neformore
Imagine she'd refused to sell/license someone a handgun on religious grounds.
originally posted by: Deaf Alien
But yeah what would they say? 2nd amendment and all that crap. It wouldn't go well.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
That's been mentioned several times in this thread... Interestingly, it NEVER gets a response of ANY kind.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
That's been mentioned several times in this thread... Interestingly, it NEVER gets a response of ANY kind.
originally posted by: Kryties
In regards to the question posed by another poster as to whether it would be the same issue if they were denying gun licenses I have this to say..
Without getting into the gun control debate, I have always supported greater restrictions on guns moreso in line with what we here in Australia have done. That does not mean I am anti-guns, it simply means I support having them restricted to keep the nasties away from them.
Anyhoo, if this were about guns and not marriage, and I were that clerk, I would, despite my own beliefs, still issue licenses to people if the court ordered me to do so - as it is the LAW.
Just my 2 cents on the issue.
Carry on
originally posted by: MrWendal
I said REAL victims.
Show me a cut, a bruise, a bleeding wound, property damage. Anything.
I agree their rights were violated, but in this case it is the equivalent of getting your feelings hurt.
originally posted by: blupblup
She has shown hatred and bigotry and I don't think we should avoid highlighting that.
originally posted by: JuJuBee
You people think it's a game?! Wait until all of the demons are released! Homosexuality has ALWAYS led to destruction.
PRIDE comes before the fall!