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originally posted by: hellobruce
originally posted by: woogleuk
Fantastic news, all hail the USA, land of free speech and religion, how dare she uphold her religious beliefs the silly mare....
So someone who has a "religious belief" that blacks are just animals and should not be served, or has a religious belief that women are 4th class citizens and should not speak unless spoken to, following those beliefs is fine by you?
originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: hellobruce
No, I'm agreeing, what right does she have to express herself and uphold the values she has known all her life, it's just not politically correct in this modern day society.
originally posted by: BubbaJoe
a reply to: retiredTxn
I have had some pretty bad experiences with fundi congregations, and realize I should not take it out on everyone that proclaims to be christian. I have known some good christian folks, and that I will not deny. But the fundis drove me away from anything to do with it.
originally posted by: woogleuk
Could they have not quietly replaced the woman without making such a scene?
originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Again...she deserved to be fired. I couldn't agree more. She did not deserve to be given a choice of breaking her beliefs or being jailed. That was wrong.
originally posted by: woogleuk
Could they have not quietly replaced the woman without making such a scene?
originally posted by: woogleuk
I am against forcing people to do things that they are brought up to believe (unless that includes raping, stoning and hurting innocent people).
originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: retiredTxn
I've said a few times that if Steve Beshear had called a special session, like many people wanted him to do, this all could have been handled without the federal court and without all the attention this has gotten. There was one or two other county clerks in Kentucky who also had reservations about issuing the licenses to same-sex couples. Beshear didn't call the special session because he wanted a precedence to be set and an example to be made of Kim Davis.
This is as much about Kentucky politics as it is about equal rights. Beshear wanted the scene to be made.
originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: BubbaJoe
I want to state for the record, that as far as I know, she refused to acknowledge gay marriage, that's it....and whilst I'm not against that (gay marriage), I am against forcing people to do things that they are brought up to believe (unless that includes raping, stoning and hurting innocent people).
People cry free speech all the time, unless they don't want to hear it.
Could they have not quietly replaced the woman without making such a scene?
originally posted by: retiredTxn
originally posted by: BubbaJoe
a reply to: retiredTxn
I have had some pretty bad experiences with fundi congregations, and realize I should not take it out on everyone that proclaims to be christian. I have known some good christian folks, and that I will not deny. But the fundis drove me away from anything to do with it.
Dude, I was raised Assembly of God, in Texas no less. Nowadays I am much more humble, and I don't take these twisted religions at face value. They pervert the Word, and spew hate and intolerance. The other strike against me is I'm conservative. When others rant about 'right wing Christians", that is not who I am. But sometimes I am lumped in there with them.
I am my own kind of conservative, not what the RNC tells me to be. Now back to the thread. Sorry to the OP for de-railing.
originally posted by: DelMarvel
a reply to: yuppa
The whole New Covenant/Old Covenent thing becomes a gimmick for "salad bar" style Christians.
Whatever they don't want to follow in the old Testament is "old Covenent."
Whatever they want to cite is still the Word of God.
You see all the usual Old Testament quotes on the posters carried by the anti-gay contingent.
originally posted by: retiredTxn
originally posted by: woogleuk
Could they have not quietly replaced the woman without making such a scene?
No. She made the scene. She was denying others their rights. She has to be impeached by the legislature of Kentucky, which does not convene until January. Simple.
originally posted by: BubbaJoe
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Two observations:
1) It apparently is okay for elected officials to ignore the laws when they have the liberal ideology and social lemming media behind them. No one went to jail for refusing to enforce DOMA, DADT, Immigration Laws, etc.
2) SCOTUS rulings do not rewrite state laws. Judges are neither legislators nor executives. They can strike down state marriage laws, as was done with recent rulings (erroneously and via pure judicial activism, but there is no easy recourse against that.) Has Kentucky passed new marriage or civil union laws yet? What law is this country clerk being told to enforce?
She wasn't told to enforce anything, she was told to do her job and issue marriage licenses to any two people that were entitled to be married. This included same sex couples as the one man - one woman kentucky law had been ruled unconstitutional.
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: BubbaJoe
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Two observations:
1) It apparently is okay for elected officials to ignore the laws when they have the liberal ideology and social lemming media behind them. No one went to jail for refusing to enforce DOMA, DADT, Immigration Laws, etc.
2) SCOTUS rulings do not rewrite state laws. Judges are neither legislators nor executives. They can strike down state marriage laws, as was done with recent rulings (erroneously and via pure judicial activism, but there is no easy recourse against that.) Has Kentucky passed new marriage or civil union laws yet? What law is this country clerk being told to enforce?
She wasn't told to enforce anything, she was told to do her job and issue marriage licenses to any two people that were entitled to be married. This included same sex couples as the one man - one woman kentucky law had been ruled unconstitutional.
I'm not disputing that she is supposed to fulfill the law. I'm asking what law didn't she fulfill? Did the Kentucky legislature pass, and the Kentucky governor sign a law that allowed same sex union licenses?
originally posted by: woogleuk
Could they have not quietly replaced the woman without making such a scene?