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China V-Day parade 2015 a force for protection, or something else?

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posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 12:33 AM
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67 different formations, 50 of them Chinese, 12,000 troops total, and all the mechanized, airborne and guided missiles you could want.
With this vast array of modern weaponry, technology and training, is it possible China is merely building up for a defensive posture?
Can it be said with utter confidence that there is nothing to fear from China by their neighbor's?
I tend to think actions speak much louder than words. I think China's actions speak for themselves in my opinion.

Note* China has just stated that it would cut it's military by 300,000. How does this change anything in the grand scheme?
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posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 12:37 AM
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Consider this....

The reason the US was able to carry itself through WW2 so effectively was because of its manufacturing base back home. We had the capacity to sustain a war effort because we were able to produce what we needed in order to do so.

This is what put us ahead economically after the war. We were the only western country to to remain intact after the war.

Now look at whats happened to our manufacturing base over the last 20 years.

Whats that tell you?



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 12:43 AM
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That the U.S. sold itself out and robbed itself of it's mightiest resource, the power to out build and outspend it's rivals.
I see your point and I raise you this one: What of Taiwan in all this mess? Seems to be an afterthought. Has it become a token for possible back door negotiation in the event of real conflict? (citing the U.S. defense pact with Taiwan) Anyway, just a thought. Other than that,total agreement on my part.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 01:20 AM
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Look at what China claims in the South China Sea. Question answered.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 01:42 AM
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a reply to: Gravelbone




+Muhammad Omar Farooq Everyone in China loves Pakistan, China Pakistan friendship forever!
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+Stan Klychko Thanks so much for supporting our Victory Day Parade! The friendship between Russia and China will last forever!


Starting to see a pattern in the replys .
Then you guessed it , someone brought OBAMA into it .



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Constantine Joseph 1 hour ago
When is ObaMAO going to do a US military parade since they've already secretly became socialists
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Side note , it was nice to see Uncle Vlad there .



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 01:42 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

That is exactly my point. I just wanted to demonstrate it discretely. Thanks.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 01:47 AM
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a reply to: Gravelbone

I have never bought into the propaganda "The Russians are coming" rubbish because being older I remember a lot of ex service men saying the real threat is China. I suggested that in another post which was all anti-Russian propaganda put about mostly by Obama and Cameron, who I suspect private hate Putin and loathe his popularity after such a long time in office. The guy seems almost ageless whilst Obama is ageing fast as Cameron has migrated to flab.

I watched some of the Chinese parade and in truth was horrified at its efficiency, smartness and above all the fact they look so ready to march off somewhere taking their military toys with them.

It was a clear show for the Western powers that China basically is the super nation. They hold the manufacturing and supply lines. They hold our domestic markets in their palm because without their goods we would be going short and even if we had the investment would be playing catchup having to knock down miles of ghastly flats and replace them with factories.

Their stock market might be going through problems but "A jolly good war is a great boost for ones economy" and they can afford to lend to themselves.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 01:55 AM
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More strategy perhaps? Get all nice and comfy. Kinda like Africa too no?
I read Sun Tzu. Deception is the greatest weapon. Just ask Mossad.
This can only go one of two ways anyway. Occam's Razor exactly.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 01:59 AM
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a reply to: Shiloh7

I wouldn't be so alarmed. the technological gap in "sensitive applications" is still so vast, even our allies are way behind.
I care not to divulge any further on that. The disparity in economy and production overall can be made up pretty quickly once the heat is on. Besides allied help (if there were any), I think the U.S. can ramp up production, improvised or otherwise to eventually meet the challenge and prevail. Not with out sustaining loss of course, great loss even. But til someone takes it (the mantle of sole superpower) by force, the U.S and it's military still stands supreme, IMO.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:19 AM
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When countries do these stupid parades, it does not show how mighty they are. It just shows how primitive we still are are a race.

It's scary that people running countries and our world, still have this mind set



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posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 07:06 AM
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America extends its presence round the world, stretching supply lines, expending ammunition, men and materiel. China sits back, building reserves, waiting…

When the time comes they can and will probably do the same thing the Japanese did at the beginning of WWII and get away with it.

What are we going to do, nuke China? And Russia?

(Warmongers, enter stage left)



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 08:54 AM
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"America extends its presence round the world, stretching supply lines, expending ammunition, men and materiel. China sits back, building reserves, waiting..."

Exactly. Hubris. Or as the saying goes " Pride goeth before the fall." China sold us the rope we are currently hanging ourselves with. They are only too happy to keep extending the length as it tightens. Another "Pearl Harbor" type attack isn't unfathomable, but with the stakes raised this high, is it a risk China is willing to take? Let's hope not, for our sake.

"What are we going to do, nuke China? And Russia? "
By all means I hope not. M.A.D. is more a reality than before.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 08:57 AM
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To think mankind would rather get along than bicker and fight over resources and beliefs?
Ha! Who am I kidding? Even if the silent majority of us prefer peace, the "Powers that be" obviously feel different.
Until might no longer makes right, this is our prescribed future it seems, Perpetual conflict.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 09:11 AM
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originally posted by: Gravelbone
a reply to: intrptr

Thanks for your reply. Nice to meet fresh faces that support an end to war before it really becomes full blown. For now, Russia and China are building defensively. Who can blame them?

They see war with the US on their horizon of possibilities. Ether that or capitulation… it would be a mistake on western powers part to expect China to surrender.
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posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 10:36 AM
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originally posted by: Gravelbone
a reply to: Jay-morris


To think mankind would rather get along than bicker and fight over resources and beliefs?
Ha! Who am I kidding? Even if the silent majority of us prefer peace, the "Powers that be" obviously feel different.
Until might no longer makes right, this is our prescribed future it seems, Perpetual conflict.


As long as we have patriotism for your country, we will always have these problems. It's just tribal. Imagine in the future when we have the technology to travel the stars, of find intelligent life out there. Then, patriotism for your country would seem so child like.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 12:43 PM
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originally posted by: Gravelbone
a reply to: onequestion

That the U.S. sold itself out and robbed itself of it's mightiest resource, the power to out build and outspend it's rivals.
I see your point and I raise you this one: What of Taiwan in all this mess? Seems to be an afterthought. Has it become a token for possible back door negotiation in the event of real conflict? (citing the U.S. defense pact with Taiwan) Anyway, just a thought. Other than that,total agreement on my part.


No, man. Americans already sold itself when they invited the corrupt Nazi scientists over for protection(except the V2 rocket guy, he wasn't evil). The worst thing is the Italians after WW2 started to create their own empire in the US(Italian Mafia). Same with other European race. Americans weren't even working with each other. This is why US is full of gangs today to this day. The Police has been infiltrated, and the Judges bribed off. Americans were greedy.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 01:18 PM
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"As long as we have patriotism for your country, we will always have these problems. It's just tribal. Imagine in the future when we have the technology to travel the stars, of find intelligent life out there. Then, patriotism for your country would seem so child like."

Who is "we"? Why would Patriotism for "my" country be the root of these problems? Seems to me, the world was pretty screwed well before The United States came around. All we did was clean up the place a little.
As far as I'm aware, we do have the tech to "travel the stars". I believe that's what Voyager is doing. As per finding intelligent life, I'm of the mind it's out there somewhere, but since we all still live here, on one planet, and have different beliefs and ideals, then we shall be divided down those lines and all that come with them, (country, border, gender, sex, etc.) Patriotism, jingoism and all the dogma of a nation come with that as well. Until it's all ended by something. But too imply (as it seems) that patriotism for "my" country is childlike, then what is patriotism for any other country then? Or Are you leaving something unsaid?
But I do appreciate you lumping the weight of the worlds collective problems on the U.S.' shoulders. Totally fair.

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posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 03:20 PM
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Because with patriotism for your country, it always turns it into an us or them. You just have to look at some of the war threads on here. It's not just that, that's the whole reason why tribal warfare is still going on to this day, and why we have these stupid parades showing the power of a country.

Of course it will not change in my life time, maybe it will not change until we almost destroy the planet with another war.

What I am saying is, once we do start travelling the stars, and maybe meeting new races, we will look at earth very differently, instead of this us and them.

I know there is a lot more to it. Religion playing a big part, but if we don't change, then we will end up killing our race.



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 02:12 AM
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Love the way that Chiang Kai-shek, who lead the Chinese resistance is white-washed out of Chinese history. In deed, I read something recently that Chinese history has Chairman Mao at the Cairo Conference (with Churchill and Roosevelt), instead of the Chiang Kai-shek.

If the Chinese are so desperate to celebrate the past then the Communists need to lift the censorship and revisionist history, so that the Chinese can see the past!

Parades like this send the following messages.

1. We, the Communist Party are in charge and look at our toys.
2. Japan is an old enemy, hint, hint they probably still is.
3. Neighbours should note that we have lots of toys.
4. Rejoice my fellow Chinese, for you are ignorant of your past.
5. Nationalism is good, especially armed nationalism.



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 02:46 AM
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With China's eastern front militarized and full of enemies and competitors, it would be very Sun-Tsu to build up on one front, then dash to overrun the other front, the open steppes to Siberia.



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