Paranoid History of the GOP: How Conspiracy Theories Poisoned the Republican Party

a reply to: undo

trump would not need to deport people if he just fixed our trade deficit.

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and brought back the corporations that are bleeding us dry. Yet, still - he loves China! His own clothing line is made there! China china!

(did you see the clip that Sublimecraft posted?)

It baffles me, how one of the wealthiest 1%ers in our entire nation, and known bully who thinks he can just "fire" whoever, is getting ANY serious support or attention. He IS THE MONSTER. In my opinion. A clown - a bit of absurd vaudeville in a very scary world.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: introvert

it's a rock and a hard place. people need jobs and demand our politicians fix that, since they messed it up in the first place. trump would not need to deport people if he just fixed our trade deficit.

That didn't answer my question. Will they follow through with rounding people up, detaining them and deporting them since that is what they are calling for?

we deported all our jobs to asia and slapped a nice heavy trade imbalance on top. importing to our country is cheaper than hiring illegal immigrants, but fewer people can buy the imported goods cause you need money to buy things and you need a job to get the money to buy things. so it's coming home to roost. if they don't fix something, we'll all be on the government dole and won't that be pretty (sarcasm)

originally posted by: introvert
What's the point in calling for it if you don't want to follow through with it? Do you believe that if these people got their way they would not gladly deport those they find unsavory?

It riles the base up, just like Democrat 1% dog whistling. You really think Democrats are going to tax into oblivion their personal financiers?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

No offense, but you really should have seen this coming.

oh, trust me, Krazy. Like I said, I hesitated....in the end I decided to post it and go to bed. Half of me expected to be banned by morning, and the other half thought I could just lurk to see the fireworks and hopefully not post in the thread at all. I have been pleasantly surprised, though!!

a reply to: undo

Still didn't answer the question. Are you not willing to give a yes or no answer? You seem to be avoiding a direct approach and are trying to kite the issue.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

You really think Democrats are going to tax into oblivion their personal financiers?

If the right ones get in to office, yes.

If the right GOP candidates get in to power (Trump), will they follow through with a deportation?

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: undo

Still didn't answer the question. Are you not willing to give a yes or no answer? You seem to be avoiding a direct approach and are trying to kite the issue.

cause i don't have the power to make or break that decision. none of us do, and that's the problem. i personally don't think they will carry thru on that because it's cheap labor and fascist socialists and communist socialists, are interested in cheap labor, well free labor actually, but we're getting there. it's a slowly sinking trip to the bottom of the barrel for the whole planet.

originally posted by: introvert
If the right GOP candidates get in to power (Trump), will they follow through with a deportation?

Nope, because it is logistically impossible and he must certainly know that.

And when you say the 'right ones' getting into office do you think enough Democrats will be elected to Congress that do not take handouts from Wall Street, Super PACS, special interests and mega-donors/bundlers to fundamentally change their approach to them? I do not, nor do I think it is even remotely possible.

a reply to: undo

i personally don't think they will carry thru on that

Then why talk about it? I know the base eats it up but that sort of talk makes them look like nutbags.

fascist socialists and communist socialists

Please. That talking point, fascism is socialism, garbage has been already debunked on this site quite thoroughly. That was a propaganda narrative started by right wing propagandists to separate themselves and their tactics from the fascist, not socialist, Nazis.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


as the two sides bicker, the power brokers lead us down the path to global slavery. it's not a fun thought. i like this lady's idea better



simplify the system by removing the need to exchange for human energy, by injecting free energy, removing money (no need for it), which would remove the need for anything but the most simplistic government, then simplify the laws down to three broadly applicable laws, have robots do the jobs we don't want to, and let people create the things they want to create. the freedom to be what you want and do what you want. no longer required to do anything or be anything you don't want to do / be. now that's utopia.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

The issue of polylogism keeps coming up here so I figured I would link a pertinent article to the phenomenon that might help to explain its roots and modern incarnation.

We frequently hear that "those people" think differently and have a different logic than us.

It is most recognizable in its racial polylogist form but, there is no end to the possibilities when dividing groups of people from one another.

Marxism without Polylogism

In the same way that state-subsidized exploitation led Marx to observe but misdiagnose the nature of exploitation in his time, forms of state exploitation today can lead people to embrace anticapitalistic creeds based on a misdiagnosis of the root of conflicts over race, sex, religion, ability, and the environment today. It is not the case that demographic groups are inherently in conflict; the illusion is created by the absence of what Hoppe calls "clean capitalism," in which all relationships in society are characterized by voluntary exchange and association.

Part of that misdiagnosis drives people to embrace a polylogist understanding of the structure of the human mind. But once the Hoppean understanding of the exploitation and conflict — those kernels of truth in Marxism — becomes clear, there is no need to resort to far-flung explanations to account for them. The root problem is not somehow embedded in the structural diversity of operating logics in the world; the explanation of conflict in society is rooted in a much more direct and simple cause: the state itself.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Contrary to Reagan’s fantasizing, the FDR-LBJ welfare state worked—it produced the largest middle class in world history, with broadly shared prosperity that’s never been equaled since.

FDR and LBJ had full Democrat Congresses I think.

Reagan had a full Democrat House all 8 years and a full Democrat Senate for 2 years I think.

Reagan must have been good at "compromise" to get all those bills passed.

And perhaps the "FDR-LBJ welfare state" policies paved the way for today's financial assistance state of affairs that seem to be at all time highs.

Looks like nobody in big government has actually solved any of the biggest problems.

a reply to: greencmp

the explanation of conflict in society is rooted in a much more direct and simple cause: the state itself.

no doubt.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

do you think enough Democrats will be elected to Congress

I highly doubt it and that is why the "tax the 1%" rhetoric is considered outside the reasonable expectations of the Left.

On the other hand, the deportation and wall-building mantra is rooted deep within the GOP and is part of their stated agenda.

It's more likely that the GOP will push for deportations and building a wall, that it is for the Left to actually raise taxes on the 1%.

originally posted by: introvert
It's more likely that the GOP will push for deportations and building a wall, that it is for the Left to actually raise taxes on the 1%.

More likely but still, to me, rather unlikely.

I would be interested in comparing deportation numbers if a Republican wins to those under Dear Leader.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I would be interested in comparing deportation numbers if a Republican wins to those under Dear Leader.

Me too. Deportations are up since Obama has been in office and it would be interesting to see if the Republicans would continue that trend, or not.

Hows that whole Jade Helm takeover going? Perfect example of GOP paranoia and lunacy right there.

NOT people who consider themselves conservatives, mind you. The idiots voted into State and federal government who so aptly demonstrated their paranoia and nutty beliefs in front of the whole world, regarding Jade Helm.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

The OP article looks like a remake of The Paranoid Style in American Politics by Richard Hofstader published in Harper's Magazine in 1964, which I read back when I thought conspiracies were some thing special.

When you think about it, all conspiracies are just normal politics.

Either you produce something, or you take something, to get what you need and want.

Politics and conspiracies are simply taking from one to give to another. Usually by using governmental power to do it.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Did Hillary Clinton have classified documents/memos on a private civilian server?

www.wsj.com...


What 300 classified emails? Now 150 more classified emails with 2 emails being rated top secret? Does this compromise US national security and foriegn policy?

townhall.com...

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

I have no idea. Do you? Are you in on the FBI investigation?

When xuen suggested "it's all to prop up Hillary" my fingers wanted to type: no, I don't think so.

I, as a progressive/liberal/democratic socialist would rather expatriate myself than live with another Clinton OR Bush.
I am no fan of Hillary's.

I'm looking for truth hidden among the propaganda, and integrity that doesn't require 'sound bytes' to get across.


But......CHINA, China CHINA; china china, china china.....CHINA! Let's say China

No different to my ears than "What difference does it make!?" or "We came, we saw, we killed him."

ALL of that stuff makes me gag, and often throw up in my mouth a little.