originally posted by: Vector99
Jade you have to look at the other side of the coin.
I have, and from every angle which is one reason I did not immediately respond once the thread was reopened several times after people got heated.
As others point out, in a previous thread about the decision to allow people who are trans to serve in the military I stated that I too would be
uncomfortable showering with a transgender woman who was not discrete about concealing her different genitalia around me or any other women in
a women's changing room or women's space.
Key word: discretion.
I also have always qualified my support of Lila with things such as "if Lila is really trans" in this thread while cautiously supporting her in
principle because I once face something similar from one set of parents out of a school of around 1,000 students.
So I have experienced life on both sides of this discussion: Both as a girl who faced similar but minor opposition (compared to what Lila is facing)
over the school allowing me to use the girls room when I still had male genitalia. And now as a 20 year young woman who is suspicious of transgender
people who aren't discrete about concealing their birth difference. Ekron, another woman born differently expressed similar sentiment elsewhere in
Both sides have concerns which they feel are legitimate ones.
However, only one side's concerns seemed to be the prime focus and concern of many in this thread when we lack data as to whether they are as
legitimate. Does Lila like girls? How does she feel about her penis? We don't know. The same goes for the social media the threats made against Lila.
Where are the screenshots? Did Lila report them to school administrators? What was their reaction? Again, we don't know.
Many do not feel I should be allowed to assume Lila could be physically harmed using the boys room or psychologically scared for life due to being
Again. Double standard.
Very little was said about the very real likelihood that Lila would be vulnerable to being attacked in the boys facility or that being forced to draw
attention to her difference each time she had to use facilities which if she is trans, could have a very negative impact on her social development as
the gender which matches her brain's physical structure which would be the same as the girls protesting against her.
Beyond the fact that the girls who were against her were well supported in this thread I was also afraid that expressing support for both sides of
this issue would lead to me being bullied and attacked by another ATS member who did so in the military policy change on transgender people
From what I've seen I would be concerned because as others have stated Lila doesn't seem to know that she should conceal her difference.
Nearly every legit transgender girl does EVERYTHING the CAN to conceal their difference from others and their self. That said, maybe she just doesn't
know how yet?
I do not know Lila so I can not tell you if she is legitimately trans but I find the prejudiced reaction to automatically assume the worst about her
I would have loved to hear from her parents, her psychologist (was she ever formally evaluated by her doctor or therapist as being transgender? we
don't know, thanks lamesteam media.)
I'd also have liked to hear from the girls who protested in SUPPORT of her because her parents probably know her better than anyone and those in
support obviously have their reasons for supporting her which in absence of an assessment of her from medical professionals is better than her simply
stating her case.
We lack data. And in the absence of a more complete picture, people due to their own biases and fear, fill in the blanks and assume the worst in her.
I found that to be extremely reactionary and prejudicial.
The girls in the locker room felt uncomfortable enough to stage a protest, in high school. A walk out protest.
And yet others protested for her but one group seems to be considered valid in their opposition and the other is ignored in their support because the
former feed in to a media which exploits fears and promotes fear over education and reason not just on this issue but so many other widely
misunderstood issues. (Don't get me started on the sad state of science journalism in the US.)
Serving the needs of one does not vindicate the need of the transgender.
Nor does serving the needs of those who have fears about her which may or may not be legitimate depending on the nature, discretion and character of
Lila for which we have no 3rd party professional medical opinion and assessment.
I hate to go into the law here, but the law says penis = boy.
Then explain why the law permitted me to use the ladies restroom everywhere, change my birth certificate and have an F on my Washington State drivers
license before I had surgery. That is not a new thing either. It's been that way since before I was born.
I understand that surgery is NOT available to a minor. I also understand that 100+ girls were NOT ok with it.
And the opinions of the girls who were ok with it protested in support of her are of no relevance?
If so then. why the double standard?
The result ended up the same in the end. Lila had her own locker room instead of staff facility room because everyone else left.
Which is unfortunate since what might have been a teachable moment (as was the case in my school) turned into a problem due to lack of information.
Sadly in a place of education.
I suspect that her schools administrators are to blame for that.
Students should be learning not walking out in protests for any reason. People protest things all the time based on lack of education or
I understand why they felt they should but just because they did does not give their reasons for doing so any validity if Lila truly is trans.
I've said elsewhere that these issues would be best dealt with on a case by case basis. Broad brushes tend to miss a lot of details but reactionary
fear in the absence of real data can and often has been used against misunderstood or marginalized people, often with tragic consequences
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