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originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: babybunnies
She may have not chosen the lifestyle (something still VERY much debatable),
Not in science. That debate was over about 15 years ago.
The only debate is among people ignorant of the science or that fact.
originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: burdman30ott6
From a purely pragmatic approach (which is what science is all about) why is the zoanthropy comparison not appropriate?
For one it is so rare. How many people do you know of that believe they are animals and act like animals? Besides isn't it a part of schizophrenia?
I have a 5 year old who identifies as (in no particular order) Iron Man, a turtle, and a monster truck.
His identity does not lead me to implant an electromagnet on his chest, or superglue a shell on his back, or bolt his wrists and ankles to wheels. I do however pat him on the head and say "That's nice."
And there's no way gender dysphoria could possibly be associated with schizophrenia...?
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: OpenMindedRealist
As someone pointed out, it's pretty rare to come across these people.
Also, wearing cat ears to placate someone in the workplace is a distraction. Wearing unscented deodorant isn't a distraction.
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: DrakeINFERNO
Good job it isn't a mental disorder then isn't it....
Dude grows up in a male body. Dude has all the male equipment. After 13 years in this body, dude suddenly thinks he's not a dude and is in the wrong body.
Sounds like the dude is denying reality.
No but you are. The reality is some girls grow up in male bodies before they can change them. You know... unless they kill themselves.
What is expecting a locker room full of teen girls to accommodate the presence of a male with a penis? Placation? Distraction? Not a distraction?
There’s a lot of ignorance, they are claiming that they’re uncomfortable. I don’t believe for a second that they are. I think this is pure and simple bigotry.
originally posted by: WhiteHat
What a person thinks it is in his head it doesn't make it so in reality, no matter how hard the person believes it.
The discovery is the first detection of a difference in transsexual brains and could at least partly explain why such individuals describe themselves as "women trapped in men's bodies."
The finding may also cast light on the larger issue of sexual identity, of what makes a person feel comfortable -- or tormented -- in the skin of a man or a woman.
Significantly, the region of the hypothalamus does not differ in size between gay and straight men, and so it cannot be said to play a role in male sexual orientation. Other recent studies have focused on identifying minor brain discrepancies between homosexual and heterosexual men, in general reporting that gay brains appeared comparatively feminine. Such findings, which remain deeply contested, have troubled many people for the simple reason that gay men overwhelmingly think of themselves as men, not as abnormal women. But genetic men who undergo sex reassignment often claim that they felt like girls from early childhood on.
- Wall Street Journal - Dec 6, 2013
In the 1990s, scientists began to compare these sexually dimorphic regions in the brains of transsexuals and the rest of humanity. Early work in this area required the examination of brains postmortem; recent studies use images of the living brain.
The results show that when individuals of Sex A—despite having the chromosomes, gonads and sex hormones of that sex—insist that they're really Sex B, the gender-affected parts of the brain typically more closely resemble what's usually seen with Sex B.
Consider an obscure brain region called the forceps minor (part of the corpus callosum, a mass of fibers that connect the brain's two hemispheres). On average, among nontranssexuals, the forceps minor of males contains parallel nerve fibers of higher density than in females. But the density in female-to-male transsexuals is equivalent to that in typical males.
– The American Psychiatric Association, 8/16/12, Release No. 12-36
Access to medical care (both medical and surgical) positively impacts the mental health of transgender and gender variant individuals.
Being transgender or gender variant implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities; however, these individuals often experience discrimination due to a lack of civil rights protections for their gender identity or expression. Transgender and gender variant persons are frequently harassed and discriminated against when seeking housing or applying for jobs or schools, are often victims of violent hate crimes, and face challenges in marriage, adoption, and parenting rights.
Discrimination and lack of equal civil rights is damaging to the mental health of transgender and gender variant individuals. For example, gender-based discrimination and victimization were found to be independently associated with attempted suicide in a population of transgender individuals, 32% of whom had histories of trying to kill themselves, and in the largest survey to date of gender variant and transgender people 41% reported attempting suicide.
The APA joins other organizations, including the American Medical Association and the American Psychological Association, in endorsing strong policy statements deploring the discrimination experienced by gender variant and transgender individuals and calling for laws to protect their civil rights.
-Medicalxpress.com - January 2015
A study with 32 transgender children, ages 5 to 12, indicates that the gender identity of these children is deeply held and is not the result of confusion about gender identity or pretense. The study, led by psychological scientist Kristina Olson of the University of Washington, is one of the first to explore gender identity in transgender children using implicit measures that operate outside conscious awareness and are, therefore, less susceptible to modification than self-report measures.
For the rest of us what we see is reality; we see a male body - that's it, is a male, in every sense and meaning of the word.
originally posted by: WhiteHat
Someone born with a healthy body, with full functioning genitalias which correctly define its gender,
but in its heads feels like a different gender, it's exactly that: a person with a problem in its head.
And until corrected by the means the science and medicine offer today, like transition and surgery and so on, at least pretend to respect the rest of the world who may or may not get "your head" and the social rules we all live by.
So as long as a person have a male body it should definitely use the same facility as the rest of the male bodies
If that boy would had had a birth malformation,
let's say programmed for surgery at a later age, would he be so eager to make a fuss about it, or it would have gladly accepted a separate facility?
But hey, having a penis and pretending to be a female is on the trend right now,
No one who is really trans is pretending to be anything by living as their preferred gender but a lot of people around here want them to pretend to be the one that matches their genitals perhaps to the person's detriment and death due to ignorance.
so why not draw some attention then blame the rest of the world for not seeing the oh, so obvious female side of his penis. Let's get real.
I can tell you that in my case I didn't want ANY attention to my difference. Had I had to use a separate bathroom, say in a teachers lounge or something every time I had to go I'd have drawn attention to my difference.
That possibility was actually brought up by the two parents who initially objected to me using the girls room and my principal showed them the letters from my psychologist and endocrinologist which advised them against that. The psychologist on the grounds that it would continue to draw attention to me difference rather than allow me to develop socially normal.
Kids are mean enough. I didn't need that.
And it turns out my doctors were right because like for 90% of the school my difference didn't matter after the first year. I was not going to ever be miss popularity but I also wasn't pointed and stared at much after that either other than by the occasional bullies or bitches. And even that pretty stopped after I met and started dating my boyfriend.
And yeah, no intend to disrespect but if that girl in that picture is sleeping, I am queen of Sheba....
I was but not soundly. She caught me in the process of turning over to sleep facing the wall. So maybe I was half asleep but I don't remember turning over, just being exhausted and waking up.edit on 3-9-2015 by JadeStar because: (no reason given)edit on 3-9-2015 by JadeStar because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
a reply to: JadeStar
Are you saying brain abnormalities and mental disorders are mutually exclusive?
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: WeRpeons
He didn't...
She did.
Gender identity is, as you have rightly pointed out, different to sexuality. However, what you need to understand, is that first, we have no idea what this young ladies sexual preferences are, and that second, they are not nearly relevant.
Do lesbians change in the men's bathroom? Do homosexual males change in the ladies? Do they have their own separate facility? No they do not, because that would not be inclusive or sensible, now would it? The fact that this individual is not being allowed to operate the facilities appropriate to their gender (female), means that by the same reasoning, there should be no lesbians, or homosexuals, or even people who have a deep seated and unspoken question about their sexuality, changing in any facility, for any reason. There is no difference what so ever, save of course for staggering ignorance on the part of many, about the very scientific nature of the situation that transgendered persons find themselves in, and the issue of gender and sexuality as two very separate, and not at all similar or related subjects.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: burdman30ott6
Opinion, belief --- does not trump the knowledge and experience of an actual person who lives it.
Those poor folks honestly and truly believe they're animals.
We are animal. Human is animal.
We are on the evolution tree just as all the other animals are.
Science says we pass along memory cells. Who really knows for sure which memory cells got past along in an individual.
Well then, let's bring it right back around to a previous question I had. If Lil' Jimmy believes he's a Shetland Sheep Dog, should he be allowed to take a leak in the school playground, wear nothing but a dog collar, and expect kibble be provided at the school cafeteria? After all, equality, right?