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FOX News: Transgender girl drops class after 200 protest for and against her.

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posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:05 PM
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a reply to: Annee

Bio-chemical reality or bio-chemical imbalance? You are talking about individuals who otherwise have healthy, functional male or female bodies and hormones.




posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: Annee

Frankly, dinosaur doesn't go far back enough in time to describe that guy. He'd have us still using methods that equate to Medieval torture procedures to "treat" this.

But, ultimately, I am disgusted. Truly this thread has not done any good for the website's tagline. Deny ignorance, indeed.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Annee

If a kid believes they are a dog and demands that they be allowed to pee in the schoolyard against the fire hydrant, are we going to worry about urinary tract infections, appeasement, or treatment of a mental disorder?


Transgender is not a belief. It is a reality. Ignorance is a choice.

Here's a camp for transgender kids. And they are expanding out of need.

CAMP ARANU'TIQ: www.camparanutiq.org...


edit on 3-9-2015 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Mugly
a reply to: Annee

think of an any age person in the states
mental illness



Transgender is a bio chemical/physical brain reality. Not a mental illness.

Or would you like to talk about my aunt who blew her brains out? Or my other aunt who was manic bi-polar and died in a mental hospital?

I can talk mental illness when it's the subject.





so it is classified as one but it is not one cause you say it's not?
i dont really care to talk about your aunt who blew her brains out....
it is even less relevant than cambodia but good job anyway.

dont care about your manic aunt who died in the hospital either

what else you got?

any other relatives mentally ill or commit suicide?



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: Mugly

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Mugly
a reply to: Annee

think of an any age person in the states
mental illness



Transgender is a bio chemical/physical brain reality. Not a mental illness.

Or would you like to talk about my aunt who blew her brains out? Or my other aunt who was manic bi-polar and died in a mental hospital?

I can talk mental illness when it's the subject.





so it is classified as one but it is not one cause you say it's not?
i dont really care to talk about your aunt who blew her brains out....
it is even less relevant than cambodia but good job anyway.

dont care about your manic aunt who died in the hospital either

what else you got?

any other relatives mentally ill or commit suicide?


Well good.

Since this is not a mental illness discussion.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:12 PM
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a reply to: Annee

camp for fat kids
www.wellspringcamps.com...

for blind kids
www.wellspringcamps.com...

for deaf kids
lionswildcamp.org...

what is your point with all of this?

everything you dont post or agree with is not relevant but all the crap you post is?

give me a break



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: Annee

actually it is.
i already posted the link

it is not however a discussion about your dead family but you have no problem posting about it



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:15 PM
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a reply to: Annee




We don't live in Cambodia, so it's not relevant.

Think of a 5 year old m/f transgender girl in kindergarten.

"Oh, I'm sorry --- you can't pee with your class. You have to be segregated. There's a gender-neutral bathroom in the teacher's lounge. If I can get someone to escort you, I will. Otherwise you're just gonna have to hold it".

Thus is real. This actually happens. This is why urinary tract infections are a danger to trans kids.


I lived in Cambodia.

Are you saying there is no transgender there? You should go to Phnom Penh. The Cambodians are more gender fluid. It is highly relevant. What is irrelevant is your little thought experiment, and the idea that teachers don't let transgendered kids go to the bathroom.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:24 PM
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originally posted by: Mugly

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Mugly
a reply to: Annee

think of an any age person in the states
mental illness



Transgender is a bio chemical/physical brain reality. Not a mental illness.

Or would you like to talk about my aunt who blew her brains out? Or my other aunt who was manic bi-polar and died in a mental hospital?

I can talk mental illness when it's the subject.





so it is classified as one but it is not one cause you say it's not?
i dont really care to talk about your aunt who blew her brains out....
it is even less relevant than cambodia but good job anyway.

dont care about your manic aunt who died in the hospital either

what else you got?

any other relatives mentally ill or commit suicide?


It is has been re-categorized in the DSM-5 from Gender Identity Disorder to Gender Dysphoria.




DSM-5 aims to avoid stigma and ensure clinical care for individuals who see and feel themselves to be a different gender than their assigned gender. It replaces the diagnostic name “gender identity disorder” with “gender dysphoria,” as well as makes other important clarifications in the criteria.


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The reason for re-categorization is because it is not considered a mental disorder. However, many transgender individuals do need psychological support for many reasons. It is not a mental disorder, it is an somewhat anomalous circumstance and the stigma associated can certainly contribute to mental illness. The only reason it is still mentioned in the DSM-5 at all is so when insurance needs a "diagnosis" in a slot you can put one in. (Yes, there is a monetary motive involved but that's not all of it).

Having said all of that, there are no indications that this young man that is transitioning into a young woman is mentally ill, or that she is intending to just ogle girls as some have suggested. I do feel that the school has made adequate concessions and that asking to change in the girls locker room is going too far. The feelings of the other students take precedence in this case because there are a lot more of them. If you are unusual and going against the social grain sometimes you must accept that things will be harder and there are some circumstances where you will not be accepted as much as you would like. The world doesn't revolve around you even though you are different and this kid (and some of the others in this thread) need to figure that out.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:26 PM
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But, ultimately, I am disgusted. Truly this thread has not done any good for the website's tagline. Deny ignorance, indeed.


Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders just redefined gender identity disorder as "Gender Dysphoria" so people won't be stigmatized, while at the same time able to access care. Nonetheless, Gender Dysphoria is still in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, which is the most prominent manual for diagnosing mental disorders.

Do you disagree with their choice to put gender dysphoria in their manual of mental disorders?



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:26 PM
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Encouraging people to indulge in their delusions may seem like the nice thing to do in the short-term, but it's a cruel disservice in the long term. Maybe some analogies will help the emotional thinkers understand:

Your friend thinks he's Steve Vai but actually sucks at playing guitar. Do you keep telling him he's good right up until he gets laughed off stage?

Your other friend thinks he is the next Tom Brady and sees no reason to pay attention in school. You know he's not that great. Do you keep fueling his delusion?

Another friend thinks he is an alien born in a human's body. This delusion causes him to have all sorts of secondary psychological problems such as anti-social and depressive behavior. Do you pat him on the head and tell him it's ok because his kind will show up one day to dominate all mankind? Do you build separate facilities for extraterrstrials only?
Or do you reach out to that person and try to help him understand his natural self?

TrappedPrincess is not an anomaly. When you enable a deluded person, things can only get worse from a mental health standpoint.
insider.foxnews.com...



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:27 PM
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originally posted by: redhorse
there are no indications that this young man that is transitioning into a young woman is mentally ill,


we all see things through different eyes.
i saw major indications of mental illness

the big ole johnson, the baritone voice, the 5 o clock shadow an the skirt= evidence



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

thats not relevant
anne didnt post it

it is not a mental illness cause they say it is not



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:36 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I can't even agree with a lot of other things they place in that book. However, redhorse has more than eloquently explained the reasoning of why it's in there. I cannot really agree with the choice to place it in there, but it is a condition that does require diagnosis and treatment and psychology is the best science available to recognize its presence aside from an outright brain scan. So, ultimately, it had to be placed somewhere.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:39 PM
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originally posted by: Kojiro
a reply to: Annee

Frankly, dinosaur doesn't go far back enough in time to describe that guy. He'd have us still using methods that equate to Medieval torture procedures to "treat" this.

But, ultimately, I am disgusted. Truly this thread has not done any good for the website's tagline. Deny ignorance, indeed.


I know.

I've read a lot about Dr. McHugh in my 20 years of following sexual "diversity".

Obviously, I don't know everything, but at least I've become informed over the years.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: Mugly
a reply to: Annee

actually it is.
i already posted the link

it is not however a discussion about your dead family but you have no problem posting about it


Well we're done talking.

YOU, who's "mood" is murderous, parent of 3 year old, insists on hanging on to antiquated ideas.

Not for me.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: THEatsking

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: THEatsking

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: JadeStar

She had a separate facility for her use. She chose not to use it.

I can understand why the rest of the girls would not want to use the locker room with an anatomical male.



Wow.




Wow, what?

If it's wrong to force the transgender to use the male facility because she feels uncomfortable being in with anatomical males who identify as males despite being an anatomical male herself, then isn't it equally wrong to force the anatomical females who identify as female to share their space with an anatomical male, too?

The best the school could come up with here on all sides was to offer the transgender a space for herself.

Maybe it would be different if we were talking about someone who was fully transitioned.


No. If those girls feel uncomfortable they can go change somewhere else. No one is restricted them to change in a girls locker room. The trans girl wants to change in a girls locker room. It's simple. She is the one being restricted, not the others. The solution isn't to make transgender people their own 'black water fountain' . That's insane.

The solution is to teach that she is a female, period. That's the way it is and those who are annoyed/uncomfortable to need get over themselves and stop being selfish. It's so exclusive. Disgusting.


Get your head out of the clouds. It's not right for those high school girls to change clothes in front of a dude, or to subject them to a dude changing clothes in front of them. If he wants to believe he's a girl, that's on him. It's not right to subject those girls to that.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:48 PM
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originally posted by: Mugly

originally posted by: redhorse
there are no indications that this young man that is transitioning into a young woman is mentally ill,


we all see things through different eyes.
i saw major indications of mental illness

the big ole johnson, the baritone voice, the 5 o clock shadow an the skirt= evidence


No. It's not just "different eyes". You were trying to say that it is officially categorized as a mental illness and use that as leverage to prove your point. You are absolutely and completely wrong about that (although you clearly are incapable of admitting it).

There were many who argued against including it in the DSM-5 at all for fear it would add to the stigma. However, in the end, facilitating help for transgender people was weighed against the babblings of the inevitable idiotic bigots (who usually can't admit when they are wrong).

"Different eyes" my foot. You're full of it.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:50 PM
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a reply to: Annee

oh snap.
you mentioned my mood and the fact i have a toddler
owned me



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 05:53 PM
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