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Musings about the F-117 companion

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posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 12:31 AM
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originally posted by: Bfirez
Anyone else have a comment on it?


THAP sounds cool if you say it. THAP! THAP! Almost as good as "Pew! Pew!"




posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 12:45 AM
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a reply to: Bedlam

Yeh like the sound of a paveway or two hitting you out of the blue from 50k+ ft. agl



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 04:05 AM
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a reply to: Bfirez

I thought Ninja's were silent



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 05:39 AM
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a reply to: stratsys-sws

When they want to.




posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: jammin606
Decade long lurker, first time poster.

Something that occurred to me whilst reading this thread (and similar elsewhere online) is that the fact that the F-117 companion is still classified today perhaps suggests one of two things. Either, the powers that be didn't want it known so that it wouldn't be targeted and thus weaken the effectiveness of the F-117's themselves, or the shape of the companion is significant.


Perhaps additionally

1) it's still operational
2) confirmed knowledge of its existence would change enemy behaviors and give away the shape of battle plans.

Consider playing football in 1890. Surprise, one team has a forward passing quarterback, and the other can't see him and didn't know they could do that.



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: mbkennel

Yeah, never show your full hand.... Still just one peek..... please?



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 11:31 PM
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I take it to mean that some of the technologies or strategies used by the companion are still operationally valuable to the military. Perhaps various bits and pieces of the companion have been incorporated into other, newer birds. *shrug*

Besides, if it's an awesome platform anyway -- why give your rivals any potential help by revealing it? China and Iran seem to love copying stuff of ours. The less we willingly give them, the longer it'll take for them to catch up.

I mean we probably knew about the F-117 and B-2 publicly due to:

1. We had better stuff either operational or near operational

2. We didn't think just "showing" the shape/image of the planes would help any rivals, as they were so far behind

These days though, other countries are catching up faster -- so why bother giving them any free peeks at what we've got?



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:14 AM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

I need to go break out my old copy of skunk works by ben rich. I forget the quote but something along the lines of "What the public sees is 50 years behind where we are at, atleast." Like several people have said in the past here, some stuff is so far out people discount it as even possible.



posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: Bfirez
a reply to: MystikMushroom

I need to go break out my old copy of skunk works by ben rich. I forget the quote but something along the lines of "What the public sees is 50 years behind where we are at, atleast." Like several people have said in the past here, some stuff is so far out people discount it as even possible.


Reminds me of Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

As for the book, there are a lot of interesting things said in that. Can't remember if that quote you said is in there though...
But I firmly believe there is truth in Ben Rich's statement. If you throw enough money and smart people against a problem you get results, and boy oh boy alot of money went (and still goes) into classified research and projects.
There is a reason my favourite quote is: "Nothing is impossible, it just costs more!"

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posted on Sep, 19 2015 @ 07:34 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I take it to mean that some of the technologies or strategies used by the companion are still operationally valuable to the military. Perhaps various bits and pieces of the companion have been incorporated into other, newer birds. *shrug*

Besides, if it's an awesome platform anyway -- why give your rivals any potential help by revealing it? China and Iran seem to love copying stuff of ours. The less we willingly give them, the longer it'll take for them to catch up.


Nowadays, a target search term for hacking.

There's always a tension between showing strong capability intentionally for deterrence and political power (people naturally flock to the winner or the perceived strongest player) and reserving capability for wartime.

"We have an awesome fleet of B-3's!" --- useful politically

"BTW, the B-3 needs a TR/A-134 companion for optimal mission success" --- who needs to know?
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posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: cavtrooper7

Once upon a time there was a surprisingly accurate rendering. It disappeared though.


Does it look like the one above the cloud?


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posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 11:53 PM
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originally posted by: mob574j


Does it look like the one above the cloud?


It doesnt. Allegedly.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 07:17 AM
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Just spitballing, more for entertainment than anything else, but has anyone given thought to the top one being a head on vs a birds eye view of whatever it is?



posted on Aug, 31 2018 @ 01:49 AM
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a reply to: LeviB
Well since noone else wants to play ... obviously yes. The thing sotra looks like a stylized F-19 Loral variant omitted fins. The planform of the aircraft in question is probably more conservative than the coin suggest. If there even is a connection in the first place of course.



posted on Aug, 31 2018 @ 11:03 AM
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static1.squarespace.com...

If the Loral is correct, then the challenge coin image above the cloud is correct, as the plane would be a crescent moon shape. If thats all the case, then...



posted on Aug, 31 2018 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: mightmight

Or..the much more plausible looking Testors version. Which has a somewhat similar appearance from the front. Less dihedral, though...

Boomer135 has supposedly seen/refueled/photographed it and makes reference to owning the Testors model.

Search all of his posts. A lot of people see his comments on the the Lockheed VS-07 looking "similar" to another platform as his way of saying it is the Shadow/companion..but the case is much stronger for him saying it resembled the "F19" (except the designation.

Also..if anyone REALLY wants to see a pic... old Popular Mechanics/Popular Science mags are available on eBay...right?
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posted on Aug, 31 2018 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: CrownCartwheelCreed

Spot on.

Popular Mechanics mags are available for free.
books.google.de...



posted on Aug, 31 2018 @ 07:01 PM
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a reply to: mightmight

I remember seeing the pic years ago..but never found it when searching their archive. I believe some issues are omitted..

On the subject of various models which may (or not) resemble the Shadow..found this-

youtu.be...



posted on Sep, 1 2018 @ 02:12 AM
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a reply to: CrownCartwheelCreed
Yes Dez 96 and Oc-Dez 98 are missing.
I havent found the alleged picture either, but as far as i remember it was said to be from Gulf War. I checked the early 90s, not much later.
Purchasing the missing issues is certainly possible and someone in the US might even be able to check them out in a good library. But what are the chances?



posted on Sep, 1 2018 @ 05:58 AM
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a reply to: CrownCartwheelCreed
Ooohh thats nice...



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