Has WWW3 already begun?

The Obama administration is developing a package of unprecedented economic sanctions against Chinese companies and individuals who have benefited from their government’s cybertheft of valuable U.S. trade secrets.

The U.S. government has not yet decided whether to issue these sanctions, but a final call is expected soon — perhaps even within the next two weeks, according to several administration officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.
U.S. developing sanctions against China over cyberthefts

First, for the purposes of this thread, let's assume that a US-China war is a de facto WW3. Continuing from there:

If you consider cybertheft by a government against another government to be an act of war, if you consider sanctions to be an act of war, then the world is literally on the precipice of WW3.

There are other factual matters to consider:

We followed all of this up this week by noting that thanks to the new FX regime (which, in theory anyway, should have required less intervention), China has likely sold somewhere on the order of $100 billion in US Treasurys in the past two weeks alone in open FX ops to steady the yuan. Put simply, as part of China's devaluation and subsequent attempts to contain said devaluation, China has been purging an epic amount of Treasurys.
It's Official: China Confirms It Has Begun Liquidating Treasuries, Warns Washington

Some consider massive dumping of US Treasuries by a country like China to be an act of war. So, we've got two acts of war (in the opinion of some) by China towards the US in the recent past.

For the purposes of discussion, let's say that that's two known recent acts of war by China against the US. Now it becomes plausible in my opinion that WW3 has already started and we can start looking at some other recent events from a new perspective.

In this SPECIAL EMERGENCY BROADCAST from Joe Joseph, NanoGirl & I, we discuss the recent spate of Chinese explosions at chemical installation with a THIRD going up in flames in Shandong Province yesterday. This is the third explosion of this kind in recent weeks, add to that the explosion at a US base in Kanagawa and now three category 4 hurricanes barreling across the pacific towards Hawaii and something doesn’t fit. Three explosions goes beyond coincidence, and with everything going on in the money markets, we could well be looking at targeted attacks! Internal strife, or external attacks, or nothing to see here…. you decide!
RED ALERT! Chinese Explosion’s Symptom’s Of “China Sydrome” Leading To WW3!

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a reply to: Profusion

If it is, it won't be just China. It will be China, Iran, Russia (?), North Korea, maybe more.

Missing North Korean Subs

no I don't think so, there is a lot of emphasis placed on Iran wanting to "nuke" someone asap and lots of people worry that might happen soon unless we stop/prevent them from doing so, of course this is the "public" message we receive, all the secrets behind the scenes are not broadcast on television or on the internet

Old question, hashed over.

I think that we are definitely in WWIII and have been for some time. The US has wars on several fronts. The sun never sets on the US empire. And we all know how that ends up.

I learned from living overseas - part of that time in former Soviet bloc areas - that when you're the big kid on the block everybody wants to kick your ass. And the bigger you think you are, the more they want to kick. So, you have to be a bully to hold your ground.

You got my erection. I mean attention

It has started !

Only escalation from here.

Russia is sending thousands of troops and many jets to Syria at this time. AS Israel, Turkey, American and Australian jets are carrying out bombing raids on sovereign Syria. Yemen exploding - NK/SK # hitting the fan - Ukraine - South China sea - Azerbaijan/Armenia - Afghanistan is ramping up - the Balkans - Somalia and Egypt - The world is on fire ! Have you been watching the stockmarkets ? How about all the industrial fires and energy train derailments and pipe explosions worldwide ? We are one false flag away ! There is no turning back now

The problem with China selling its American treasury instruments as an "act of war" has its flaws. Although treasury yeilds have increased as of late, the rate of return hasnt been lucrative as China has needed since their industrial and economic problems have put them in need of liquidity. They are kinda strapped for cash. I bet they would even consider selling Hong Kong if the price was right. They are in a bind.

If anything, in my opinion, that would be a sign of losing a battle on the war front.

In this day and age, the prospect of WW3 is crazy, now that a lot of countries have nukes. It only takes on nuke to set it off.

War is bad...not a good thing to even think about, millions of innocent lives perish from all this crap

Peace

No.

Struggling for a 2nd.....

Back to the real world. We are not in WW3. We would know if we were.

We should fear China's economy hitting the rocks, because the Communist Party will stop at nothing to keep in power. This may include a bit of national diversion, such as engineering a conflict around one of their territorial disputes. One that they'll win. Even that won't translate to WW3.

You lost me when the hurricanes got tossed into the mix.

Nobody can create hurricanes and if they did, they would have no control where they went, especially with 4 interacting with the weather all at once.

I'd say this is just more bologna that is trying to insert absurd conspiracy theories into everyday events. Hurricanes are natural, China has many industrial fires a year from having poor standards, and sanctions are responses short of war.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
You lost me when the hurricanes got tossed into the mix.

Nobody can create hurricanes and if they did, they would have no control where they went, especially with 4 interacting with the weather all at once.

I'd say this is just more bologna that is trying to insert absurd conspiracy theories into everyday events. Hurricanes are natural, China has many industrial fires a year from having poor standards, and sanctions are responses short of war.

Your statement "this is just more bologna that is trying to insert absurd conspiracy theories into everyday events" includes cybertheft by the Chinese government against the US. Your opinion above is nothing but lies, red herrings, and poorly structured straw man arguments.

CHINA'S WEATHER MANIPULATION BRINGS CRIPPLING SNOWSTORM TO BEIJING

In The People's Republic of China, it's no secret that the Party controls just about everything. But as Beijing suffers through its second major snowstorm this season, residents are growing weary of their leadership's control-freak tendencies. After all, while the storm came as a surprise to residents, the government knew about it all along. In fact, the government caused it.

China has long tinkered with Mother Nature's waterworks, even establishing a state organ -- the Beijing Weather Modification Office -- whose sole purpose is to meddle with the weather. The purpose behind weather modification is less megalomaniacal than it sounds at first pass; a large swath of northeast China, including Beijing, has been mired in a drought for nearly a decade, and the party leadership would like to reverse that trend for both practical reasons and to show the Chinese people exactly who is in charge.
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Please note that the following treaty was agreed to almost forty years ago. Who knows how much things have progressed since then. All the countries that agreed to the following treaty did it just for the hell of it, right?

The Convention was opened for signature at Geneva on 18 May 1977.

Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques

Article I

1. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes not to engage in military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects as the means of destruction, damage or injury to any other State Party.

2. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes not to assist, encourage or induce any State, group of States or international organization to engage in activities contrary to the provisions of paragraph 1 of this article.

Article II

As used in article 1, the term "environmental modification techniques" refers to any technique for changing - through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes - the dynamics, composition or structure of the Earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, or of outer space.

Article III

1. The provisions of this Convention shall not hinder the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes and shall be without prejudice to the generally recognized principles and applicable rules of international law concerning such use.

2. The States Parties to this Convention undertake to facilitate, and have the right to participate in, the fullest possible exchange of scientific and technological information on the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes. States Parties in a position to do so shall contribute, alone or together with other States or international organizations, to international economic and scientific co-operation in the preservation, improvement and peaceful utilization of the environment, with due consideration for the needs of the developing areas of the world.
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I think you'll find that there is a good history of hurricanes and cyclones happening, some of which have been particularly destructive. The current levels are not different from the past.

Apart from seeding clouds to make a bit of rain, I fail to see how us humans could influence and change the weather. We cannot even forecast the weather!

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a reply to: Profusion

I think you'll find that there is a good history of hurricanes and cyclones happening, some of which have been particularly destructive. The current levels are not different from the past.

We're really getting off on a tangent now. But, I'm not letting the emboldened lie above get by me. Let's look at some facts:

9 Records Blown Away by Superstorm Sandy

Record breaking Maysak becomes a Super Typhoon, heading toward Philippines

Super Typhoon Haiyan hits Philippines with all-time record winds (VIDEO)

Typhoon Goni batters Japan with record 159 mile-per-hour winds

This is the first recorded occurrence of three Category 4 hurricanes in the central and eastern Pacific basins at the same time. In addition, it's also the first time with three major hurricanes (Category 3 or stronger) in those basins simultaneously, according to hurricane specialist Eric Blake of the National Hurricane Center.
Three Category 4 Hurricanes in the Pacific Ocean: How Rare Is That?

Record superstorms are being recorded every year now. They're getting bigger and more dangerous all the time. The trend of constantly breaking records in terms of superstorms has just started in the last several years.

We can speculate on the reasons, I'll post my favorite theory below. But, there's no denying the facts such as what's posted above. There are more examples but I think the information above proves my point.


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originally posted by: Profusion
Your statement "this is just more bologna that is trying to insert absurd conspiracy theories into everyday events" includes cybertheft by the Chinese government against the US. Your opinion above is nothing but lies, red herrings, and poorly structured straw man arguments.

The discussion on sanctions by the US govt and the decision coming soon adequately covered a rational response to cyber theft. No need to bring in wild fantasies about creating 4 giant hurricanes launched at Hawaii or insignificant fires that no nation would ever consider as vital infrastructure to attack.

China selling US TBonds is a reaction to their market corrections - also called a hard landing. They need a large chunk of cash and since our bonds are abundant with China it only makes sense. I know it peeved a lot of people when they devalued their currency.


As for cyber warfare -
2011 - Cyber Combat: Act of War
Pentagon Sets Stage for U.S. to Respond to Computer Sabotage With Military Force

My thing is why now? The Chinese President is suppose to visit DC this month so I am not sure why they now all of a sudden come up with sanctions.

originally posted by: Profusion

We're really getting off on a tangent now. But, I'm not letting the emboldened lie above get by me.

We're not going off on a tangent as this is referenced in the OP. Weather records are there to be broken. However, if you look at the facts you will find that the frequency of cyclones and hurricanes is stable, albeit recognising that climate change is difficult to model. However, if you can show these cyclones / hurricanes were created, or made worse, by some shady human "weapon", please provide some pointers as to how this can be done.

The number of severe tropical cyclones (minimum central pressure less than 970 hPa) shows no clear trend over the past 40 years.

> Cyclone trends - OZ Met Bureau

Now, just because someone said it on YouTube does not make it a fact!

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Profusion
Your statement "this is just more bologna that is trying to insert absurd conspiracy theories into everyday events" includes cybertheft by the Chinese government against the US. Your opinion above is nothing but lies, red herrings, and poorly structured straw man arguments.

The discussion on sanctions by the US govt and the decision coming soon adequately covered a rational response to cyber theft. No need to bring in wild fantasies about creating 4 giant hurricanes launched at Hawaii or insignificant fires that no nation would ever consider as vital infrastructure to attack.

Your post above is all speculation based on assumptions you can't prove.

1. "The discussion on sanctions by the US govt and the decision coming soon adequately covered a rational response to cyber theft."

You don't know if it's a "rational response" because you don't know how much was stolen, over how long a period it was stolen, or the potential ramifications of the theft. You're just assuming that you know when in fact your assumptions are based on nothing but the official story. The truth of the matter is secret information that you have no way of knowing.

2. "No need to bring in wild fantasies about creating 4 giant hurricanes launched at Hawaii"

I presented you with evidence that the Chinese government can control the weather:

CHINA'S WEATHER MANIPULATION BRINGS CRIPPLING SNOWSTORM TO BEIJING

I presented you with the treaty that the Chinese government is a party to concerning weather modification:

Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques

And you call the idea that the Chinese government could be controlling the weather "wild fantasies"?

When a country goes to war it often doesn't follow some treaties anymore. If we're in the midst of WW3 already, then the "wild fantasies" you referred to above become something worth considering. That's why I'm taking the idea that the Chinese government could be beginning to cause superstorms seriously. Personally, I think that these three superstorms happening simultaneously could be a warning shot. They may be saying, "We're not following the treaty (linked to above) anymore. Look out, this is a warning."

I'm not saying it's happening but it could be. I think it's worthy of consideration.

3. "insignificant fires that no nation would ever consider as vital infrastructure to attack"

You only the know the official stories about the fires. Practically anything could have been going on at the plants. So, you don't have enough information to know if the above statement is true or not. It's just an assumption based on the official story.

It's quite callous for you to make the above claim considering the following:

Death toll in Tianjin explosions reaches 112; more than 90 still missing

If you don't think that's significant, I don't respect you as a person. I wouldn't respect any government that didn't consider that number of dead and missing people to be significant.

And, that's just from one of the three explosions. When all of the effects of all three explosions are added together, who knows what the final numbers will be. Could that amount of death and destruction be enough to go to war over? I think so.

You're obviously not being serious in the slightest here so I'll let you be.

Surely this thread should be in lol or hoax sub forums. And not just because you use beforeitsnews as a source.

It's ridiculous.