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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
originally posted by: angeldoll
Anyone who believes a document of the magnitude of the Koran could be accurately passed down verbally for thousands of years has blind faith in human infallibility. It's quite simply not possible because: humans.
If you orally recited your favourite song to your children and friends, and it became their favourite song...
& continuing on they did the same with their children and friends...
Would you trust it to remain pretty much identical?
I would, because learning the words of a song is pretty easy.
The Quran, in Arabic, rhymes throughout.
Even I, as a slow learning Londoner when it comes to other lexicons, already know the 1st Chapter of the Quran in Arabic without having to read it.
I'd imagine Arabs would find it even easier to remember and recite correctly.
Not to sway your opinion, Angel, just another perspective.
As for Sunni sources that have mentioned this Quran up until the eighth century, they are: Al-Tabaqatul-Kubra by Muhammad ibn Sa’d (230 ah), Fada’ilul-Quran by Ibn Dhurays (294 ah), Kitabul-Masahif by Ibn Abi Dawud (316 ah), Kitabul-Fihristby Ibn Nadim who reports from Ahmad ibn Ja’far Munada, better known as Ibn Munada and Al-Masahif by Ibn Ashtah (360 ah), Hilyatul-Owliya’ wa Tabaqatul-Asfiya and Al-Arba’in by Abi Na’im Al-Isfihani (430 ah), Al-Isti’ab fi Ma’rifatil-As’hab by Ibn Abdil-Birr (463 ah) which has narrated through two ways, Shawahidul-Tanzil by Hakem Haskani (a fifth century scholar) who has proven the existence of this book through numerous proofs, Mafatihul-Asrar wa Masabihul-Anwar by Abdul-Karim Shahrestani (548 ah) (amongst all Sunni scholars, this scholar has reported this Quran in detail, explaining how it was compiled, how the imam offered it to the Sahabah and how they refused to accept it and how he brought them reasoning and arguments in order to persuade them), Al-Manqib by Khatib Kharazm (568 ah), Al-Tas’hil fi Ulumil-Tanzil by Ibn Jizy Kalbi (741 ah).
 Muhammad ibn Sa’d, Al-Tabaqatul-Kubra, vol. 2, pg. 328.
 Muhammad ibn Ayyub ibn Dhurays, Fadha’ilul-Quran (research of Urwah Badir), pg. 36.
 Suleyman ibn Ash’ath, Kitabul-Masahif (revised by Atur Jafri, pg. 61).
 Muhammad ibn Ishaq, Kitabul-Fihrist, pg. 31-32.
 Quoted by: Jalaluddin Suyuti, Al-Itqan, vol. 1, pg. 58.
 Abu Na’im Isfihani, Hilyatul-Owliya’ wa Tabaqatul-Asfiya, vol.1, pg. 67.
 Quoted from: Ibn Shahr Ashub, ibid, vol. 2, pg. 50.
 Yusuf ibn Abdil-Birr, Al-Isti’ab fi Ma’rifatil-Ashab (researched by Muhammad Ali Bajawi), third section, pg. 974.
 Hakem Haskani, Shawahidul-Tanzil li Qawa’idil-Tafdhil (researched by Muhammad Baqir Mahmoudi), vol. 1, pp. 36-38.
 Abdul-Karim Shahrestani, Mafatihul-Asrar wa Masabihul-Anwar, vol. 1, pg. 121.
 Muwaffaq ibn Ahmad Kharazmi, Al-Manaqib (researched by Muhammad ibn Malek Mahmoudi), pg. 94.
 Ulumul-Quran indal-Mufassirin, quoted by: Markazul-Thiqafah wal-Ma’ariful-Quraniyyah, vol. 1, pg. 351.
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?
So - um - like Christianity then and almost all religion.
"In the Quran Mohammed made it unlawful to attack.