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Russians & NASA Discredit 'Fossil Fuel' Theory: Demise of Junk CO2 Science

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posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 06:47 PM
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originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: DJW001

well my point. I said fracking causes earthquakes and you said it didn't.


No, I said that the evidence was anectodal, and provided a possible explanation.




posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

Evidence is not anecdotal. How do you come up with that? We just had a 4.4 caused exactly by fracking and the evidence supports it's not "story telling" So, would you like to make that little bet now?



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: BeefNoMeat

yeah it was on Wikipedia I already linked the page. it depends who you quote America Saudi and Russia all vary in their production of around 10 million barrels per day but it has been the Russians over the last 16 years obviously when the soviet union fell that restricted output but it got back on its feet in 1999 also the kremlin restricts oil output as you have problems with the weather and If production stops the oil wells freeze.
www.sourcewatch.org...'s_oil_industry

Russia's oil industry is "important to world energy markets because it holds the world's largest natural gas reserves, the second largest coal reserves, and the eighth largest oil reserves. Russia is also the world's largest exporter of natural gas, the second largest oil exporter, and the third largest energy consumer." --U.S. Department of Energy, February 2005.
this first link shows the total output between 2008 and 2013
www.globalsecurity.org... but overall the energy provided by Russia is top

then you have different sites referencing different figures so averages over the last years are hit and miss you also have restrictions imposed by the Kremlin In restricting

www.bloomberg.com...
www.cia.gov...
en.wikipedia.org...-IEA2012-2

and oil coming from minerals is what the Russians based there research on I have linked in the work of one Russian I will dig it out again for you think it is on page 2 or 3 of this thread

One thing you need to factor in that most of you are unaware of or refuse to believe is that the rockerfellers/rothschilds have been controlling the education system in the west for the last 130 years by donating huge sums of money to universities therefore enabling them to control what people are taught, the grip over this planet that these families have is unbelievable they installed the Jewish Saudi royal family to control the oil for them back in 1932 standard oil started drilling for oil in 1933 the rest is history,
then you have the British and French controlling the middle eastern countries after the break up of the ottoman empire in 1924 with America taking over control of several of these countries including Iraq



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 07:53 PM
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where does your source come from as the kremlin do not allow any new hydrocarbon deposits to be opened and there production has not fallen we can both pull alleged statements to discount each others views yet the key factor which people seem to overlook is that the current outlook of limited fuel is that wars can be fought and the population controlled (you are aware of Agenda 21) which is the main agenda of the ruling classes and these same people control the education system yet we have heaps of evidence from the Russians that oil is derived from minerals and now even NASA chip in with the basic element methane being produced on numerous planets

www.globalsecurity.org...
Russia had a harsh climate and challenging geology which meant it cannot simply stop wells from pumping oil. Russian wells will just freeze if you stop them. Russia's oil production would in any event plateau sometime around 2010, while exports would inevitably fall. The almost effective absence of growth in production was due both to the low level of capital expenditure in the industry and a deliberate Kremlin policy of not opening hydrocarbon deposits for development. Domestic demand for oil products, particularly gasoline, was rising steadily, with more than 2 million new cars sold in Russia each year. By one estimate, from 2007 to 2011 Russia would reduce the volume of oil exports by an annualized 250,000 bbl/day. By 2012, therefore, Russia's export volume of crude and oil products would be between 1.0 and 1.3 million barrels per day lower than 2007 export volume.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: jinni73

The oil theory was disproven years ago by Russia but it is not being told to us and therefore people think it still comes from fossils where are you getting your information from


So then ask yourself this genius, why does Russia need to spur development at 'hard-to-recover' wells if the oil just abiotically oozes up?


The world’s second-biggest oil exporter is seeking a tax system to spur development of distant or hard-to-recover resources amid falling production at fields set up mainly during the Soviet era. Source


Why are they drilling more wells if the old ones continue to produce oil magically?


He says that in H1 the volumes of operational drilling rose by 10.3%. Source




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posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 08:14 PM
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originally posted by: jinni73

where does your source come


It was in my post, try reading it.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 09:11 PM
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originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: 0bserver1




and fill our solar system with space smogg


Hahaha...do you know what volume of space our solar system comprises?

"12 3/4 quintillion Earths would fill the Solar System"


answers.yahoo.com...


149,597,870.7 length 1 Astronomical Units (AU).
Earth's volume is roughly 1,097,509,500,000,000,000,000 cubic meters (www.physlink.com...
The radius of the Solar System is now considered to be about 100 AU. This is the point where the the Solar Wind (from the Sun) meets the Interstellar Wind (thank you, Voyagers) called the heliopause (www.solarviews.com... This gives a volume of 1.40e+40 cubic meters.
Dividing the Solar Systems volume by that of the Earth's gives about 12.78e+18 Earths. So, about 12 3/4 quintillion Earths would fill the Solar System.
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Hey love what you did. I haven't verified it, but I love numbers like this. 12 3/4 quintillion Earths would fill the solar system!!!?? This at first doesn't seem amazing to me, since quintillion is actually a small number in my experience. I mean, there're ~sextillions of ant cells on the planet and ~sextillions of human cells, so I'm used to this. Imagine adding up ALL of the cells on Earth??? Anyway, the ~12.75 quintillion number is even more insightful if you include interstellar space. The solar system is a speck amidst the stars. The distances between stars are mind shattering. There's an awful lot of (interstellar) space in the observable universe!!!

Anyway, back to the topic. I wish I had the intelligence and understanding of chemistry to make valuable comments in this thread. Somewhere in all of the science must be the answers to these questions. Additionally, I wish I had a spaceship and could travel to these other planets and verify everything we're told. What a wonder that would be. To KNOW those things really are out there. It's one thing to see pictures and be told, it's quite another to be there in person.

If anything this thread is going to cause some of us to read up on methane and hydrocarbons and titan and other such things. And that's good. We're like toddlers, but it's a step in the right direction. However, I'm afraid in my case I should just open up an elementary school book on chemistry. Maybe even learn the periodic table. Yes, that's how infantile I am.
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posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 11:23 PM
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originally posted by: jinni73

Last week new NASA photographs proved methane lakes exist on Saturn's moon, Titan, showing that such hydrocarbons (or so-called 'fossil fuels') are seemingly plentiful in our solar system. Cassini passes Saturn This startling discovery turns on its head the long-held western belief that petroleum is a limited resource, because it is primarily derived (we had been told) from the fossilized remains of dead dinosaurs and rotted carbon-based vegetation.


www.principia-scientific.org...

This is from a team of Swedish scientists that did not have to leave the planet to find out that we have been lied to all the time in order to keep prices high
viewzone.com...

The Russians for decades reinvested all there Oil profits in working out how to drill deeper as they always knew this and eventually worked out how to drill down to 40 thousand feet where the mineral is naturally produced this is why they have become the No 1 oil supplier in the world.

This could be the reason why Oil prices are falling, yet no announcements on the Main Stream News although that's not surprise seeing Murdoch Is a partner with one of the Rothschilds in a massive gas field in Syria and I'm pretty sure the Rockerfellers work for/with the Rothschilds in controlling most of the Oil industry

Makes you wonder why they are doing all the Fracking if Oil is a replenishable resource especially due to all the Methane and destabilising the Earths crust that fracking causes.

I am surprised no-one else has put this news on here as it does not come up on the search feature and anyway why hasn't it been made a sticky so everyone who comes onto this forum knows that the forum title is incorrect.
as well as its now a proven fact that peak oil is just a con


The Fracking is to flush out the greys and other scums that certain groups want to exterminate, and to ease the pressure on the earths crust and such so that when some really large force wants to move things around they hope it will be less dramatic on the destructive side.

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posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 11:27 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: jinni73

And if you read the opening remarks from the abstract you linked you would have seen this:


There is widespread evidence that petroleum originates from biological processes1, 2, 3. Whether hydrocarbons can also be produced from abiogenic precursor molecules under the high-pressure, high-temperature conditions characteristic of the upper mantle remains an open question.


This belongs in the Hoax or LOL forums.



Believing scientists know ANYTHING about the earths mantle belongs to the LOL and HOAX BIN of the UNIVERSE.

It does not get much more insane than that.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 11:35 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: SPECULUM
No.
Who said anything about the entire surface?




And this about sums up this planets scientific method.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 11:39 PM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP
a reply to: jinni73

How do you explain coal then?

Your Russian friends will be shocked when the oil and natural gas run out in 50 to 60 years then coal at 120 years from now.


It has been estimated that there are over 861 billion tonnes of proven coal reserves worldwide. This means that there is enough coal to last us around 112 years at current rates of production. In contrast, proven oil and gas reserves are equivalent to around 46 and 54 years at current production levels.


Source


Do you actually believe EVERYTHING you are told ??

I bet we can find such statements from 50 years ago, 100 years ago, and will always be subject to changing estimates.

Hence, the tech is not perfect and the reporting on things is HIGHLY LIKELY to be controlled, AKA not TRUTHFUL.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 11:44 PM
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originally posted by: MamaJ
a reply to: jaffo


Oh for crying out loud, what else would you have us do? Ignore the resources available there? You realize the plastic making up the computer you are typing on COMES FROM OIL, right?


Does that make it right? Umm.... no it doesn't.

Dependency on oil is definitely something we are accustomed to as well as a great money maker for the elite. Wars are fought over such and no... it's not right.

It's not right we have tons and tons of plastic in our waters... islands of them.

If you are not Recycling and believe in these resources long term... then you are a part of the problem imo.


Yeah you are right, its all about belief and recycling, then you are not part of the problem......

Anyways, oil is up about 10 bucks in the last week and gas prices where I am dropped quickly....



posted on Sep, 1 2015 @ 12:11 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: jinni73

where does your source come


It was in my post, try reading it.


Ok so I have more time now,
so It's a Bloomberg article who are owned by the Bank of America which Is owned by the Jesuits who were set up by the Borgia family a roman bloodline family. so there's no conflict of interest Is there Its funny that the freemasons are also set up and controlled by these roman families back in the first century.


Right so I have done some more digging and Rosneft Russia's largest Oil company drilled more wells in in the first 7 months of this year but the reduction in output that you say is happening is not true there main well in Yugansk has increased output by about 1.5 million tonnes at the same time of this new drilling. Now you will see a quote from alfa bank that says they expect oil production to drop over the next few years yet Alfa are owned by ABH Holdings with Mikhal Friedman another Khazarian too many links to people with vested interests in controlling us all. also ABH are owned by unicredit group this is there email azionisti@unicredit.eu so again no links to the Zionist agenda LOL

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posted on Sep, 1 2015 @ 12:47 AM
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Soon, the global elites' mafia criminal godvernments will expand their "climate change" agenda
to neighboring planets. Any ideas how these monsters will scheme to tax life forms residing there to rob them of their actual physical wealth as the "elite" parasitic monsters have done and are doing on Earth?



posted on Sep, 1 2015 @ 01:11 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

Just depends how you want to read the headline (maybe if I had of put NASA inadvertently prove) but all NASA have done is provided evidence that oil is on other planets/moons It doesn't have to mean that NASA are endorsing the fact that oil is not really from fossils all they have done is provided the platform for the evidence.

now as you are so keen to derail the thread can you show me how they can get oil from fossils apart from just saying it?



posted on Sep, 1 2015 @ 01:31 AM
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originally posted by: yulka
a reply to: SPECULUM

Energy output?
Not as good as gasoline or diesel, but for its abundance it really doesn't matter

Propane is easily ran through trucks and older cars. it just gives less economy and torque to your engine
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posted on Sep, 1 2015 @ 01:39 AM
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originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
a reply to: jinni73

How do you explain coal then?

Your Russian friends will be shocked when the oil and natural gas run out in 50 to 60 years then coal at 120 years from now.


It has been estimated that there are over 861 billion tonnes of proven coal reserves worldwide. This means that there is enough coal to last us around 112 years at current rates of production. In contrast, proven oil and gas reserves are equivalent to around 46 and 54 years at current production levels.


Source


Do you actually believe EVERYTHING you are told ??

I bet we can find such statements from 50 years ago, 100 years ago, and will always be subject to changing estimates.

Hence, the tech is not perfect and the reporting on things is HIGHLY LIKELY to be controlled, AKA not TRUTHFUL.


The biotic theory stems from around the 1600s and others on here have contributed some excellent points here is one reference to biotic oil being found in granite rock in Vietnam www.forbes.com...

Kutcherov points to a handful of productive oil fields in Vietnam and elsewhere that lay in hard rock such as granite. Traditional theory says oil shouldn’t be present there. Certain wells in the Gulf of Mexico have produced more oil than expected. The abiotic crowd says they are slowly being refilled from a deeper source.

To prove that abiotic oil is possible, in 2002 Kutcherov superheated calcium carbonate, water and iron in a pressure chamber and then cranked it up to produce 30,000 times atmospheric pressure, simulating the conditions present in the earth’s mantle. Sure enough, about 1.5% of the material converted into hydrocarbons, according to results in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Most of it was methane and other gases, but about 10% was heavier oil components.


So we can reproduce the abiotic theory in a laboratory and Hydrocarbons have been found In meteorites dnr.louisiana.gov...

Can anyone show the ones who do not understand how decomposing fossils make oil proof of the way to get oil all I can find is reports of old fossils and plants mixing in with what has been made in the earths crust under high temperatures



posted on Sep, 1 2015 @ 04:34 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: jinni73



We are told Oil is from compacted organic matter yet this story proves that it is not

Methane is not oil.
There is nothing that suggest oil was found on Titan.




huge methane lakes were found.

the composition of crude oil has differing complexities of hydrogen & carbon = hydrocarbons
the simplest is Methane one carbon atom with 4 hydrogen atoms attached to the bonds, then as you escalate the amount of carbon molecules that are attached to each other you get more complicated structures which burn for longer or more efficiently


en.wikipedia.org...
The Components of Crude Oil

Crude oil is essentially a mixture of many different hydrocarbons, all of varying lengths and complexities. In order to separate the individual components that make up the raw natural resource, the crude oil must be fractionally distilled so that chemical components can be removed one at a time according to their boiling points.



Some atoms are replaced with other atoms like nitrogen the more complex they get.



www.eia.gov...
Crude oil is a mixture of hydrocarbons that exists as a liquid in natural underground reservoirs and remains a liquid when brought to the surface




www.aip.com.au...
Petroleum hydrocarbon structures

Petroleum consists of three main hydrocarbon groups:

Paraffins

These consist of straight or branched carbon rings saturated with hydrogen atoms, the simplest of which is methane (CH4) the main ingredient of natural gas. Others in this group include ethane (C2H6), and propane (C3H8).

Hydrocarbons

With very few carbon atoms (C1 to C4) are light in density and are gases under normal atmospheric pressure. Chemically paraffins are very stable compounds.

Naphthenes

Naphthenes consist of carbon rings, sometimes with side chains, saturated with hydrogen atoms. Naphthenes are chemically stable, they occur naturally in crude oil and have properties similar to paraffins.

Aromatics

aromatic hydrocarbons are compounds that contain a ring of six carbon atoms with alternating double and single bonds and six attached hydrogen atoms. This type of structure is known as a benzene ring. They occur naturally in crude oil, and can also be created by the refining process.


here is some of the history
www.sjvgeology.org...



posted on Sep, 1 2015 @ 06:00 AM
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originally posted by: ParasuvO
Believing scientists know ANYTHING about the earths mantle belongs to the LOL and HOAX BIN of the UNIVERSE.

It does not get much more insane than that.


Awesome contribution. How are things in the Dark Ages?



posted on Sep, 1 2015 @ 09:45 AM
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Just depends how you want to read the headline (maybe if I had of put NASA inadvertently prove) but all NASA have done is provided evidence that oil is on other planets/moons It doesn't have to mean that NASA are endorsing the fact that oil is not really from fossils all they have done is provided the platform for the evidence.


That is not at all what NASA said. NASA simply reaffirmed that there are hydrocarbons, not oil, on other worlds. This has been known since the first spectral analysis of comets 150 years ago. The source of this article, incidentally is outrageously biased. It cites Popper's repeatability requirement to dismiss climate science as pseudoscience. Unfortunately, that same criteria can be used to dismiss archaeology, paleontology, geophysics, and even astrophysics as pseudosciences. In other words, it is dedicated to denying even the possibility of anthropogenic global warming while trying to make petroleum look like a renewable resource. It reeks of Big Oil money.


now as you are so keen to derail the thread can you show me how they can get oil from fossils apart from just saying it?


No-one can, that is why I am open to Gold's abiogenic petroleum theory... which you would have known if you go back and read my first post.



posted on Sep, 1 2015 @ 09:49 AM
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azionisti@unicredit.eu so again no links to the Zionist agenda LOL


Wow. Did you bother to look up what azionsta means in Italian? It's a financial term:

it.wikipedia.org...



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