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A summer of Clinton stumbles gives way to an uncertain fall for Democrats

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posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 11:34 AM
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I found the link to this WAPO article on the Democrat campaign dilemma off Drudge.

It was all about how Clinton is a troubling candidate that the Democrat party is scratching their heads over and they're worried that even if Biden drops in, it may be too late for him to get his message out the lure voters away from either Sanders or Hillary enough to solidify his position in time to get a good run for next year.


Clinton’s standing has been eroded both by her own shaky handling of the e-mail controversy and by the populist energy fueling the challenge of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). Her weakened position in the polls has stoked talk about a possible late entry from Vice President Biden, which could dramatically change the dynamic of the race.

As the Democratic National Committee wrapped up its summer meeting here Saturday, members were left with a series of questions not just about Clinton, but also Biden, Sanders and the party as a whole.


Basically, they're a bit worried at the moment even with the Reps running around with the 500'lb gorilla in the room named Trump.


A new poll released Saturday night showed Clinton on a dangerously downward trajectory in Iowa, whose caucuses will kick off the nominating contest. She leads Sanders there 37 percent to 30 percent, according to the Des Moines Register-Bloomberg Politics poll, with Biden in third with 14 percent.

[Iowa poll: Sanders surges to within 7 points of Clinton]

The questions hovering over Sanders include whether he can convince enough Democrats that he is electable and, if he falls short, whether the movement behind him would shift its allegiance willingly to Clinton or the eventual nominee.


Basically, Bernie plays well to the Democrat base, but will he appeal enough to everyone else? Those on the left are fond of telling Republicans that this or that candidate is too right, but it seems even the Democrats acknowledge that Bernie, as much as you love him, may well be too left for most Americans to swallow. Millennials notwithstanding, you still have a ton of the electorate left to entice and the young are notoriously unreliable on polling day.

But this next bit is the money quote of the piece for me that has me LMAO.


Inside the Clinton team, there is an acknowledgment that the issue has been badly handled and that it has given rise to broader worries about her trustworthiness and sense of entitlement.

“Stuff is coming in from outer space to us and that’s challenging, but I think what she did a few days ago was important in terms of acknowledging that people have questions,” said Robby Mook, Clinton’s campaign manager. “She’s taken responsibility for this, and I think at this point now we have a lot of supporters on Capitol Hill and our activists who are ready to really call this for what it is.”


Stuff is coming from where?! Outer space? Is that how Clinton thinks of everything outside of the beltway and her little band of merry insiders? So, here she is folks, your "champion," and it seems you are more or less alien to her or something because your concerns about her activities are coming from "outer space" according to her own campaign manager. Or at least I'd like to know what they consider "inner space" to be.

Also, don't you find it funny that Hillary as an actual Mook working for her?


mook

noun ˈmük

Definition of MOOK
slang

: a foolish, insignificant, or contemptible person


Also, this article confirms what another thread reported. Clinton has been doing her best to lock in promises from delegates ahead of time.


Clinton has adopted a strategy focused on the accumulation of delegates to next summer’s national convention. She received pledges from more than 400 ­superdelegates, roughly one-fifth the total required to clinch the nomination, a campaign official confirmed. That feat was first ­reported by Bloomberg News.


Also, the Democrats are keenly aware of the anti-establishment mood, but it seems they are still out to jam Hillary down everyone's throats as the party nominee.


Irrespective of Biden’s decision, the summer has highlighted the challenges for Clinton in finding a way to convert the anti-establishment sentiment coursing through the electorate — magnified not only by Sanders, but also by Trump — into an asset.

“The American public thirsts for authentic and genuine candidates,” said Ken Martin, the party chairman in Minnesota and a Clinton supporter. “When you strip away the issues, really what people are looking for is authentic leadership, that people do things for principled reasons and not some self-serving political reason.”


I'm not really sure how you take a self-serving, dishonest politician like Clinton and convince everyone she's authentic and principled, but I guess they're going to try because even though Bernie is having much better luck convincing people he's honest in his message (sadly, I think he is perfectly honest in being a socialist), they don't think he's electable.


For all of the surprise strength of the Sanders insurgency, however, even he acknowledged here that he still must convince Democrats that he can win a general election.


So there you go.



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posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 11:51 AM
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I see Clinton is down from over 50% to 37% in Iowa and Sanders is up to 30%,

Just say no to Hillary!

Go Bernie!



posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 11:56 AM
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Hillary has been promised her shot.

Unless, Bernie can start sounding like Barry.

You are getting Hillary.

Don't worry, the other side gets Bush.

American gets screwed...



posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 12:01 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko



"She’s taken responsibility for this..."





posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 12:03 PM
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originally posted by: whyamIhere
Hillary has been promised her shot.

Unless, Bernie can start sounding like Barry.

You are getting Hillary.

Don't worry, the other side gets Bush.

American gets screwed...


Bush don't have any lock on his position either. The Repubs have a tidal wave of Trump to contend with.

This could get interesting, if Hillary makes an obvious ploy to screw Bernie out of the nomination, and Bush does the same to Trump...and then both Bernie and Trump go independent....4-way race anyone?



posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 12:41 PM
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With the short memory span of the electorate; the only thing that will capture their attention will be the unrelenting hype, branding, and crass promotion of the selected candidates come January. The GOP coffers are bulging in anticipation of the campaigns. 2016 is going to be a nasty, ugly piece of business; and I'm blessed to get to be a part of it with our local Republican media team.

Trump isn't even discussed in the steering committees....Jeb all the way! I could be wrong but for Trump to even be considered...3rd party is his only choice.
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posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Get ready for serious Republican voters this election. Democrats need college students to win and I really don't see that happening. Possibly for Bernie Sanders but not for Hillary



posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 02:40 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
With the short memory span of the electorate; the only thing that will capture their attention will be the unrelenting hype, branding, and crass promotion of the selected candidates come January. The GOP coffers are bulging in anticipation of the campaigns. 2016 is going to be a nasty, ugly piece of business; and I'm blessed to get to be a part of it with our local Republican media team.

Trump isn't even discussed in the steering committees....Jeb all the way! I could be wrong but for Trump to even be considered...3rd party is his only choice.


Why would Trump be discussed in the establishment Republican steering committees? He is not a true Republican, he is an insurgent running as a Republican.
As far as coffers...that are stuffed with special interest funding....Trump don't need no stinkin' coffers.



posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: ketsuko

Get ready for serious Republican voters this election. Democrats need college students to win and I really don't see that happening. Possibly for Bernie Sanders but not for Hillary


Actually the Republicans have lost most women long ago, most minorities, and now the old geezers are beginning to question if the GOP really cares about them and their retirement with their constant support of mega corps. The Republicans have some ground to make up.
Of course their base of conservative, christian white people is still strong....will it be enough?



posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 02:53 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: ketsuko

Get ready for serious Republican voters this election. Democrats need college students to win and I really don't see that happening. Possibly for Bernie Sanders but not for Hillary


Actually the Republicans have lost most women long ago, most minorities, and now the old geezers are beginning to question if the GOP really cares about them and their retirement with their constant support of mega corps. The Republicans have some ground to make up.
Of course their base of conservative, christian white people is still strong....will it be enough?


Last I checked, conservative Christian white people were also women and old geezers. Of course, there is also overlap between women and minorities and Christians and minorities.

Oh, yes, minorities are also not immune to being "old geezers" too.

Sometimes, I have to wonder about you.
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posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

You might be surprised. Its all about who shows up to vote and I don't see young voters voting for Hillary. I mean this is all speculation but more people are fed up with the entire process.

I'm mostly going by when I was in college and the amount of enthusiasm for voting a black democrat that wasn't President Bush. A lot of independent, silent majority types (myself) don't feel the promise of change was achieved.

I just kinda see a rallied Republican base that will all show up this election and if they can get mostly conservative minded Hispanics to vote for them, good game



posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 02:56 PM
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I'm tied of the labels game, myself.

I'm a woman, a Christian, white, conservative/libertarian, independent, and ticked off at the whole thing.

Everyone automatically makes assumptions about me one way or the other, and as soon as I mentioned one of the above tags ... it's like ... game over, all we need to see here.

How about. I'm me and you're you, and we are who we are and that might not be exactly what your focus grouping tells you we are?
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posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: ketsuko

Get ready for serious Republican voters this election. Democrats need college students to win and I really don't see that happening. Possibly for Bernie Sanders but not for Hillary


Actually the Republicans have lost most women long ago, most minorities, and now the old geezers are beginning to question if the GOP really cares about them and their retirement with their constant support of mega corps. The Republicans have some ground to make up.
Of course their base of conservative, christian white people is still strong....will it be enough?


Last I checked, conservative Christian white people were also women and old geezers. Of course, there is also overlap between women and minorities and Christians and minorities.

Oh, yes, minorities are also not immune to being "old geezers" too.

Sometimes, I have to wonder about you.


I don't care....

I'm just a bystander watching the gyrations of the true believers in a failed BS system anyway. I've got my sweet little gig, and it's a lot of fun to
be an political analyst with out any skin in the game, other than a few bucks wagered in Brighton.....

www.gamblerspalace.com...



posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Thats just part of being in a broken two party system.



posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: ketsuko

Thats just part of being in a broken two party system.


It is why the parties are saying things about "stuff coming from outer space" though. Seriously, there are no people, only Zuul to them at this point.


And they wonder why there's no appetite for what they're selling at present?
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posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: whyamIhere

Hillary has been promised her shot.


Maybe behind the scenes but it is highly telling that Dear Leader has not publically endorsed her and he is without a doubt the leader of the party for the foreseeable future much to the chagrin of one First Husband wannabe.




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posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Biden
Clinton
Sanders
Warren

At this point, what difference does it make?



posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: ketsuko

Biden
Clinton
Sanders
Warren

At this point, what difference does it make?


You will be singing a different tune when Jeb takes over and the "War on Terror" ramps up in another ME country for more neocon profits....how old is your son?

imo the selection process has already taken place....the democrats aren't even in the picture.
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posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: ketsuko

Biden
Clinton
Sanders
Warren

At this point, what difference does it make?


You will be singing a different tune when Jeb takes over and the "War on Terror" ramps up in another ME country for more neocon profits....how old is your son?


*laughs*

Hillary is going to be Queen, so you can relax.

She'll usher in more years of glorious progressive standards for all of us to obey.

The pretenders to the Iron Throne are all just "Star Trek Red-shirts" in this rendition of "Kabuki Theatre on Meth".



posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: ketsuko

Biden
Clinton
Sanders
Warren

At this point, what difference does it make?


You will be singing a different tune when Jeb takes over and the "War on Terror" ramps up in another ME country for more neocon profits....how old is your son?


*laughs*

Hillary is going to be Queen, so you can relax.

She'll usher in more years of glorious progressive standards for all of us to obey.

The pretenders to the Iron Throne are all just "Star Trek Red-shirts" in this rendition of "Kabuki Theatre on Meth".


I'm really looking forward to the "I told you So Festival" come 2016...if we make it that far.....



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