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Anchor baby: a tale of hypocrisy

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posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 06:13 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Night Star

Oh is working under the table and lying to get benefits exclusive to illegals?
Do you some how know that every single one of them do it?


I have seen with my own eyes legal citizens get turned away while an illegal gets a job. How is it that the citizen is being treated better?????

Did you know for a fact that the person is illegal that got the job?
How many times do you think the reverse happens?

All you are doing is parroting the same non sense that we see on Breitbart that is not backed up by anything but empty rhetoric. Most of those benefits you are talking about require you to be a citizen, and they all can't fake that.
Maybe we should stop just assuming the people that are brown in those homes are illegals.


Are there some that abuse the system, of course, but it goes the same for citizens.

All while the corporations that are HIRING the people and then getting subsidies that we pay for that faaar outweigh what the poor get are an after thought...
Wonder why that is.

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A simple Google search turns up multiple sources that lists anywhere from 5.7 million to 8.5 million employed illegals in the U.S.

Scrolled halfway down the page....didn't see Breitbart anywhere on that page! Hmmm...another flame intended to tarnish anyone discussing issues you disagree with!

Nice stunt there. You seem to do that a lot, sneak in your code words so others think you are fighting rabid right-wingers. Good way to make your point....but very dishonest.

Your other nice stunt you like to pull when you are debating - bring up another issue, and jump up and down about how that issue is so much more important, that we should ignore the issue at hand. You post a thread about addressing the corruption of subsidized corporations, and I will STAR and FLAG you and CHEER YOU ON. But...this thread is not about CORPORATIONS, so that is simply another deflection from the issue being discussed within THIS THREAD. Stay topical won't you?

Not everyone that disagrees with you is some right-wing looney! Average sane Americans that vote independent, that don't read those sites you speak of (personally I have never been to a Breitbart website, whether you care to believe that, or just live in your illusion world), and don't care much for politics at all, still see the importance of enforcing the laws of the U.S. and protecting U.S. citizens first.
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posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 06:20 PM
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a reply to: lakesidepark

My point wasn't that they are not employed.
Do any of those sources say they are all paid under the table and then scheming the welfare system and getting all the free stuff in the world?

That was what the brietbart comment was about.

I know they work, that is no secret. And we are made at them taking jobs instead of those giving them.
All we want to talk about is getting them out, if we went after those giving the jobs they will stop coming.
Really funny is that Texas has 9% of them working, in the state that is against them.



Unauthorized immigrants make up 5.1% of the U.S. labor force. In the U.S. labor force, there were 8.1 million unauthorized immigrants either working or looking for work in 2012. Among the states, Nevada (10%), California (9%), Texas (9%) and New Jersey (8%) had the highest shares of unauthorized immigrants in their labor forces.


Maybe that is why they are doing so well lately!
www.pewresearch.org...



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 06:27 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: lakesidepark

My point wasn't that they are not employed.
Do any of those sources say they are all paid under the table and then scheming the welfare system and getting all the free stuff in the world?

That was what the brietbart comment was about.

I know they work, that is no secret. And we are made at them taking jobs instead of those giving them.
All we want to talk about is getting them out, if we went after those giving the jobs they will stop coming.
Really funny is that Texas has 9% of them working, in the state that is against them.



Unauthorized immigrants make up 5.1% of the U.S. labor force. In the U.S. labor force, there were 8.1 million unauthorized immigrants either working or looking for work in 2012. Among the states, Nevada (10%), California (9%), Texas (9%) and New Jersey (8%) had the highest shares of unauthorized immigrants in their labor forces.


Maybe that is why they are doing so well lately!
www.pewresearch.org...


We DO AGREE then, it is a problem! I even agree that we should crack down on the employers too!

But...this thread was about stopping them from coming in, and getting them out. We need to enforce ALL THE LAWS. That includes the 14th Amendment in its original intent, not what Teddy Kennedy turned it into.

Is enforcing laws a problem?
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posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 06:36 PM
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We DO AGREE then, it is a problem!


It is the entire problem IMO. The jobs are here and companies are more then willing to give them to people because it saves them money and that is what our society is all about.
I feel like if the politicians spent half the time they do complaining on how they come over and focus on why we would achieve something. Lets go after the businesses, not the people taking the jobs.
That is the more important issue, the illegals can't take the jobs if they are not offered them.
Can you really blame them for taking what is offered?

This thread is about anchor babies and if they are covered under the 14th, we already banged our heads on that wall.
We don't agree.

I know you mean other immigration laws, and I will tell you I have mixed feelings on them.
I say we need to reform our system so it is not full of red tape and designed to fail and very costly to boot.
That is another why part of the equation.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 06:44 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
Election season. "Anchor Babies" just another code word to stir up a new hate group. The only way republicans can govern. The only thing wrong with these babies, is that they breath and no longer a fetus and require money.


Anchor baby is a term that has been in use since the 80's. It is not a new term.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 07:19 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

Exactly. So why now? Election season.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Exactly. So why now? Election season.


Of course! We got too full of hope and change, but we running out of hope, and ain't got no more change.

Seriously, yes its election season, the only time we actually have any influence at all over what politicians do....for what that's worth.

(to stay topical...anchor kids ain't covered by the 14th, there is another very excellent thread running now that covers that in full detail, explains jurisdiction, posts all the relevant history, plenty of references....www.abovetopsecret.com.......well, buck up, go deny some ignorance and go soak it in)
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posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 08:34 PM
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a reply to: lakesidepark

And now that that has been cleared up, we need to stop the anchor baby hypocrisy.

As the other thread makes abundantly clear, the children of illegal immigrants have no rights of citizenship, therefore they cannot serve as an anchor for their parents.

That makes it unjustly cruel to call them 'anchor babies'.

The children of illegal immigrants are illegal. We should just call them "illegal babies".



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Exactly. So why now? Election season.


No... anchor baby is used during more often than election season.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: lakesidepark
a reply to: lakesidepark

And now that that has been cleared up, we need to stop the anchor baby hypocrisy.

As the other thread makes abundantly clear, the children of illegal immigrants have no rights of citizenship, therefore they cannot serve as an anchor for their parents.

That makes it unjustly cruel to call them 'anchor babies'.

The children of illegal immigrants are illegal. We should just call them "illegal babies".



The fact of their non-citizenship is irrelevant to the use of the term. Unfortunately we have had several administrations who went lax on enforcement of the rules, and such offspring are being used as anchors regardless of their true legal standing. If we ever get an administration that would actually enforce our immigration laws then would could start calling them 'non-citizen newborns' or something.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: lakesidepark

Yea when you change the definition of jurisdiction it makes it abundantly clear...
Doesn't make it right.

You are right though, plenty of people clearly presented that in that thread.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: lakesidepark

Yea when you change the definition of jurisdiction it makes it abundantly clear...
Doesn't make it right.

You are right though, plenty of people clearly presented that in that thread.


When you clearly define the definition of 'jurisdiction' in the context of the use of the word, it makes it abundantly clear and absolutely right.

Sometimes English can be hard on some folks, and the multiple usages of words in our language make it easy to obfuscate true intent for purposes of misleading the public. Which is exactly what has happened, as the general public is intimately familiar with the term used in the meaning of criminal jurisdiction, but less familiar with the political jurisdiction intents....

But no need for me to repeat it, you must have read it already clearly presented in this thread.

Which begs the question....are you a corporate shill trying to keep the cheap labor, or an establishment Repub trolling for votes (yeah I know, uncalled for, that was name calling, shame on me...but you would do the same I'm sure). Its clear you don't work for brietbart....

I shouldn't have done that...but making a point, as I have seen too much of the garbage I just posted above, needed you to see it from the other side. It has gotten real tiresome being accused of being some ideologue when I am simply a concerned citizen outraged at the abuse of our laws, and for the record that does include corporate abuse, and our neverending wars....
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posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 10:26 PM
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Texas denying birth certificates for babies of illegal immigrants.




posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 10:48 PM
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a reply to: Night Star

Then maybe they shouldn't employ so many of them!

On par with CA on how many they employ, so do they really care?



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 10:53 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Night Star

Then maybe they shouldn't employ so many of them!

On par with CA on how many they employ, so do they really care?


You are right! Star for you! I have been saying that for a very long time. They should not be giving jobs to illegal immigrants. Companies should be highly fined or imprisoned for hiring them. Until we can care for our own, we shouldn't be placing others above them.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 10:58 PM
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a reply to: Night Star

But yet all the vitriol goes to the people taking the jobs. I can't really blame them for taking what is offered to them.
Why don't we focus half the outrage of the people being here towards the companies hiring them, that seems to be an after thought.
Stop give our politicians standing ovations for talking about their stance and what they are going to do about the people and ask them what they are going to do about the companies!
We all read the book if you give a mouse a cookie, but yet all we talk about is kicking that mouse out for taking the cookie and then trying to build a wall around the cookie but the talk of getting rid of that damn cookie is brought up last.

You do talk about the companies Night so that is not all aimed at you by any means.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 11:20 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

Thanks! I appreciate that you have always been respectful to others with opposing views.

I think the reason that illegals themselves are blamed is because of personal responsibility. I'll tell you I have been in situations where I thought hell, the system screws us so much, why not screw them back, but I just can't do it. My husband is having a hard time affording insulin for his diabetes and he has medical coverage. We are considered not poor enough and fall through all the cracks. I guess when I see illegals having all their needs met, I get frustrated and angry myself. And the time when my Mom was in the hospital and the patient in the next bed, another elderly woman was in tears saying if she was an illegal she would get help with her medical bills. It breaks my heart. There are so many stories of illegals getting away with things that they shouldn't be getting away with and even being rewarding for bad behavior.

As much compassion as I have for anyone wanting a better life, I do hold some illegals responsible for how they go about things and being deceitful about it, purposely breaking more laws and just shrugging their shoulders. Time after time I begged my illegal co-workers to try and get their citizenships. I told them I would help them with studying any test, learning more English etc, whatever it would take to help. When they tell you that either they have no desire to stay here or that they get more by remaining illegal, it frustrates me. I think we have an awful lot of people who are frustrated and upset that this has gone on for so many years without anything being resolved, with things getting worse instead of better.

I don't know how many people will understand what I'm saying. Maybe some will still insist I'm hateful or racist and boy are they ever wrong. Just trying desperately in these threads to get people to understand the anti illegal folks better. I don't know if it's just making things worse or if anyone hears me. People have to understand that those of us against illegal immigration have very good reasons for it. It doesn't mean we are hateful or racist or lack compassion when compassion is due.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 11:38 PM
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I don't think that it is right that your husband has to struggle to get his medical needs either, which is why I am for socialized medicine. NOT the ACA, that is 10 pounds of poop in a 5 pound bag.

I have a different experience with illegals, known many that have actually gotten their citizenship.
My soccer coach, how stereotypical huh?, did it with the help of my family and we even helped get his fiance the help as well.
I do think that they do want to get it as that stops the risk of getting sent back.
Not saying you are lying about your experience, just that there is different ones out there.

I also disagree on the amount of free stuff that they get, maybe out side of medical for minors, they just plain don't qualify for it outside of stolen ID's which I know happens.

I don't think you are racist or hateful, frustrated is the perfect word I would say.



posted on Sep, 1 2015 @ 05:38 AM
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a reply to: lakesidepark

I don't care.



posted on Sep, 1 2015 @ 05:39 AM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

I must come back and agree with your last two posts. Our employers HAVE sold us out, and if they didn't do that, the number of illegals would diminish.

The 'anchor baby' hypocrisy is a magnet, and its an easy magnet for the politicians to attack, the corporations...that would be a braver magnet for the politicians to attack.

It is time to challenge them on that. See which ones are brave enough to take on THAT magnet.

Or, as you say, that cookie....




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