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Anchor baby: a tale of hypocrisy

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posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 12:17 AM
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originally posted by: TsukiLunar
Looks like people are missing the point and they continue to damage their own ideologies reputation. This is all very nice and everything, but history won't agree with your outdated arguments. There is no right or wrong political ideology that only exists on a subjective level. However there is clearly a disconnect between respectful social interaction and a market of the Republican and conservative base...



I guess some people are just not meant to comprehend. Or they just refuse to comprehend. You speak of a topic and they show you examples.


I would accuse them of being off-topic but I guess my response is off-topic as well.




posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 07:20 AM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: poncho1982

It doesn't offend me in the slightest, but I can totally see why the mother of these kids would be.

I bet you wouldn't like people calling your child something derogatory either.
And lets not kid our self's and say it isn't meant to be taken that way, it is a negative term.

Just think it is so funny that the people that are so anti pc get their panties so far in a bunch when some one calls them out on it.
Can dish it out but can't take it.


One thing growing up as a fat nerd in an almost all black school taught me :

I don't care WHAT people say. At all.

You can either wrap yourself up in it and claim victim status, or you can ignore them, and move on.

I chose the later. (BTW, that's completely infuriating to those who try to insult you.)

My undies are situated just fine. Like I said, I don't care what people say. I'm just trying to spread the wisdom of not being a self made victim to words. It is truly all on the listener to take offense.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 10:52 AM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: poncho1982

It doesn't offend me in the slightest, but I can totally see why the mother of these kids would be.

I bet you wouldn't like people calling your child something derogatory either.
And lets not kid our self's and say it isn't meant to be taken that way, it is a negative term.

Just think it is so funny that the people that are so anti pc get their panties so far in a bunch when some one calls them out on it.
Can dish it out but can't take it.


Mothers of anchor babies made them anchor babies by their illegal actions. The mother is responsible for the label, she should deal with it instead of being butt-hurt about it.

It's a descriptive label that is more derogatory towards the parents anyway, as they are the ones looking for the 'anchor' that keeps them in the States and gets them on the gravy train.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 11:16 AM
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Election season. "Anchor Babies" just another code word to stir up a new hate group. The only way republicans can govern. The only thing wrong with these babies, is that they breath and no longer a fetus and require money.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
Election season. "Anchor Babies" just another code word to stir up a new hate group. The only way republicans can govern. The only thing wrong with these babies, is that they breath and no longer a fetus and require money.


Speaking of hate...that is some strong hateful stuff there, labeling an entire group of people and comparing them to terrorists and gangs with that 'hate group' stuff.

Let me ask you:
Are people that wish the U.S. government to enforce our laws hateful?
Are people that wish to save our limited resources for our citizens hateful?
Are people that care about the unemployed citizens of the U.S. hateful?

Do you hate making people obey laws, or just hate those that insist people obey laws?
Do you hate people reminding you that the government can't afford to continue racking up the debt?

Or do you just enjoy picking a group and hating on them because you think we should give everything to everybody?

Don't you need to be spreading peace and love somewhere else, and let those that have to make hard decisions to protect citizens here handle that, and stay out of the way?



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: lakesidepark

Another bs line, that they get on the gravy train. They can't get most welfare as it requires you to be a citizen to get.
The kids will get medical which I have no issue with. I am sure you do.
They might get food stamps too but I think it would only be the amount needed for the kid.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

Yeah I was feeding a bunch of BS, had to feed it somewhere. It seems there is a lot of questions about how much benefits the illegal families of anchor babies receive...definitely emergency services...and maybe subsidized housing...possibly food stamps...I found links that state everything from 'nothing' to over a billion a year...

...even if its NOTHING right now, if we keep them what are we going to do with them if they can't take care of themselves, watch them starve? How hateful is that? If we aren't increasing our citizen workforce, how is Obama going to keep rigging those unemployment numbers to hide the suffering of citizens?

Now, are you suggesting we do nothing? Or we keep compounding this problem? What's wrong with enforcing our laws? Is insisting that we take care of our own citizens that bad?



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: lakesidepark

I am sick of these kind of issues, every four years. Why do we another group to blame? Let me bring it closer to personal because I am not the only one. Anchor babies are not responsible for the problems my lower income middle class family face. Anchor babies are not responsible for the BIG mess we are in in the ME. Surely, in your own life, you have much bigger problems that our legislators need to pay attention to. Go ahead, throw away the next generation's future, like we did the millennials, by joining in the Barnum and Bailey circus show.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: lakesidepark

I am sick of these kind of issues, every four years. Why do we another group to blame? Let me bring it closer to personal because I am not the only one. Anchor babies are not responsible for the problems my lower income middle class family face. Anchor babies are not responsible for the BIG mess we are in in the ME. Surely, in your own life, you have much bigger problems that our legislators need to pay attention to. Go ahead, throw away the next generation's future, like we did the millennials, by joining in the Barnum and Bailey circus show.


To be honest, I do not see the current crop of 'anchor babies' being deported, and I believe arrangements being made to avoid actually putting these people out for deportation.

But you suggest ignoring the problem, and to do that creates bigger problems, and ignoring this problem is part and parcel of even some of the problems you list. Getting sick of the issues does not make them go away. May I cover that for a moment:

The magnet of illegal immigration does create a deficit of jobs, and creates a strain on our government resources, which in some way (reduced benefits, higher taxes, reduced availability of employment) DOES effect lower-income people, whether it affects YOUR family or not, or whether you want to admit it OR NOT.

The big mess we created in the Middle East is creating a WAVE of illegal immigration that is now swamping Europe, and I agree with you, something has to be dome, but meanwhile, there is a small segment of that wave that means harm to us, that is also sneaking in our borders.

Our next generation needs their future secured, not thrown away, and every 4 years we give lip service to fixing these problems but WE NEVER DO, therefore continuing to throw their futures AWAY...just like we did with the millennials, and what do YOU want to do about it? Get mad at people that want to address problems and getting sick of them.

Wake Up. You ARE part of the problem because you insist on ignoring problems and 'getting sick of these kinds of issues' instead of offering solutions that resolve and prevent these issues.

And if we offer a solution, it needs to be a complete solution - we threw away our chance at getting this right when we granted amnesty to the existing illegal population in 1987, but subsequently failed to secure the borders and failed to enforce employment laws; now we still have the problem with no solutions. I'm not totally against some limited amnesty, but I am TOTALLY AGAINST DOING NOTHING!

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posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: lakesidepark

Thank you for having common sense!

Unless a child has at least one parent who is a citizen, they should not be considered a citizen. It is well known that many illegals come here for the purpose of having their child born here to reap benefits and it has to stop.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 02:36 PM
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a reply to: Night Star

Thanks.

It just seems impossible to address any serious problems these days without being called hateful.

This also has to stop, or we will never fix any of the problems with this country.


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posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: lakesidepark

I don't see a deficit of jobs as the problem. The pay is the problem. Can't afford homes or plan a retirement. Anchor babies are not responsible for that.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: lakesidepark

I don't see a deficit of jobs as the problem.


Need to look harder.


The pay is the problem. Can't afford homes or plan a retirement.


All that cheap illegal labor driving down wages....


Anchor babies are not responsible for that.


OF COURSE NOT. Their parents ARE. THEY are the ones that acted illegally, It is not illegal to be born.

You can continue to ignore the problem, and if you are going to ignore it...then ignore this thread.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 04:54 PM
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The term anchor baby used by Donald Trump is not the slightest bit offensive and does not change my view on Trump as a candidate. Nor will i fall in to this whole plea for political correctness. We are living in a time where our freedom of expression is being stifled by people whom are too damn sensitive & emotional. Say what you will op but i support the right to be a douche bag. I support your right to offend me as well. And i wont demand a fake apology from you in turn. Sound kosher ? I think the concept is a fair one. But it takes alot to offend me. And i dont want to live in a world walking on egg shells worrying about everything i say being used against me by trial of my peers. I dont think Trump is worried about losing support due to his insensitivity. In fact he does not care. Thats what I like about him. And it seems to be working out for him.

Stop wearing your hearts on your sleeve thought police and social justice warriors !

Suck it up and take it in stride ! Check your feelings at the door. This is politics.

I have seen illegals come to my town and impregnate american women while having a family back in country of said origin. And usually the illegal parent returns to country of origin abandoning the second one. Just to work the system , it happens and it happens alot. Lets just call it what it is shall we? Ill put it in bold for you.

Anchor Babies

They are real. You can see ithe reality of it on your pay stub where it says "taxes witheld"

In America we have the goodwill of treating illegal aliens better than our own people. Come one come all , handouts for everyone. We will pay your child support give you a drivers licence , a credit card to run up ,free food and a nice job. Ripe for the taking because Mercuh.


Whats worse ? Living in a country where loose lips and being offensive trigger a response "public outrage" we see every day ? Or one where everyone is ungenuine pretends to be your friend and holds everything in ? The biproduct of political corectness will lead to a pressure cooker of severe cognitive issues later down the road.
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posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: lakesidepark

I don't see a deficit of jobs as the problem. The pay is the problem. Can't afford homes or plan a retirement. Anchor babies are not responsible for that.


I don't know how many times you'd see articles in the newspapers of where there would be say 10 job openings and 200 hundred people would show up to apply. You hear these stories all across the USA. There is indeed a job deficit! I for one, have never been able to afford a home and my husband and I lost all our retirement savings from being disabled and on a limited income years ago.

Anchor babies are not responsible for anything, their parents are. Their parents made the choice for them.

People who are anti illegal/ anti birthright citizenship for illegals are not haters or racists. I think pro illegal folks often say that when they get frustrated and don't know what else to say. Either that, or they just assume a lot. Some of us have the biggest hearts and are filled with love and compassion for all. We also know what has been going on for too many years and that too many are taking advantage of the system and have for years. How anyone cannot see this is a problem is beyond me.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 05:21 PM
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In America we have the goodwill of treating illegal aliens better than our own people. Come one come all , handouts for everyone.


Except that doesn't happen, that tax withheld goes to treating citizens more then illegals.

But lets ignore that.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 05:47 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: DarthFazer




In America we have the goodwill of treating illegal aliens better than our own people. Come one come all , handouts for everyone.


Except that doesn't happen, that tax withheld goes to treating citizens more then illegals.

But lets ignore that.


There are many women who have spouses who work under the table and claim a one income household and get all kinds of freebies. What taxes are they paying? Not to mention that they shouldn't be here receiving benefits of any kind anyway. They are well over the poverty limit and taking away from the system fraudulently. They send billions of dollars back to their own Country. They get a job before a legal citizen, they get welfare, cheap housing etc. while our citizens have to wait years on a waiting list. If illegals are having their needs met and they ARE having their needs met, while a citizen has to choose between life saving medicine or food, how dare you say they are being treated better than an illegal.

It is well known how illegals have a negative impact on legal citizens and to completely ignore it and say it isn't so...wow, just wow!
I have seen with my own eyes legal citizens get turned away while an illegal gets a job. How is it that the citizen is being treated better?????



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 05:55 PM
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a reply to: Night Star

Oh is working under the table and lying to get benefits exclusive to illegals?
Do you some how know that every single one of them do it?


I have seen with my own eyes legal citizens get turned away while an illegal gets a job. How is it that the citizen is being treated better?????

Did you know for a fact that the person is illegal that got the job?
How many times do you think the reverse happens?

All you are doing is parroting the same non sense that we see on Breitbart that is not backed up by anything but empty rhetoric. Most of those benefits you are talking about require you to be a citizen, and they all can't fake that.
Maybe we should stop just assuming the people that are brown in those homes are illegals.


Are there some that abuse the system, of course, but it goes the same for citizens.

All while the corporations that are HIRING the people and then getting subsidies that we pay for that faaar outweigh what the poor get are an after thought...
Wonder why that is.

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posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: DarthFazer




In America we have the goodwill of treating illegal aliens better than our own people. Come one come all , handouts for everyone.


Except that doesn't happen, that tax withheld goes to treating citizens more then illegals.

But lets ignore that.


Well...I would hope so, there are more citizens than illegals....for now.

So lets NOT ignore it. We've ignored it for too long.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 06:10 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Night Star

Oh is working under the table and lying to get benefits exclusive to illegals?
Do you some how know that every single one of them do it?


I have seen with my own eyes legal citizens get turned away while an illegal gets a job. How is it that the citizen is being treated better?????

Did you know for a fact that the person is illegal that got the job?
How many times do you think the reverse happens?

All you are doing is parroting the same non sense that we see on Breitbart that is not backed up by anything but empty rhetoric. Most of those benefits you are talking about require you to be a citizen, and they all can't fake that.
Maybe we should stop just assuming the people that are brown in those homes are illegals.


Are there some that abuse the system, of course, but it goes the same for citizens.

All while the corporations that are HIRING the people and then getting subsidies that we pay for that faaar outweigh what the poor get are an after thought...
Wonder why that is.

I


Working under the table is not exclusive to just illegals, but we certainly don't need to keep adding people to the list of dishonest ones now do we?

Yes I do know as a fact that illegals got hired instead of legal citizens. For one, it happened a lot in my own department and I always got to know my co-workers. They come right out and tell you. Once they get to know you, they are not shy. Plus, I knew the higher ups that worked in the office. They told me that these people were indeed illegals. If an illegal has an anchor baby or uses a stolen identity or fraudulent paperwork, they DO get benefits. Get to know these people and they tell you themselves. I'm not repeating anything that I haven't discovered to be true.

Why did you bring up the people being brown? LOL, my husband is Portuguese and has a lovely year round suntan. Am I supposed to be against brown people? I have often said where I even had friends that were illegal. Oh and...they come in all colors. Surely you have seen me in all these threads or at least many of them. How often have I said it has nothing to do with color or race? I sound like a broken record. What does any of this have to do with color? NOTHING!


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