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The real reason there is a war against western heritage

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posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 03:36 AM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

Tell that to the hippies of the 60's who rejected traditional values and were responsible for enacting the biggest revolution in modern day history, against TPTB.


Those hippies from the 60s are the elite now, and have been for a couple of decades at least.


originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
You've got your wires crossed mate. Traditionalism is how the central power keeps the masses under control, TPTB fears progressive values, because it takes the power away from the elites to control the masses and gives it to the people.


lol, no mate, you are the one with the wires crossed. Progressive doesn't mean "being with the people"... The progressive agenda is one of "centralization" under the guise of "helping the people"...

For example, Common Core isn't just a progressive idea being implemented just in the U.S. but in the entire world. It is about global collectivization.

In paper the collective idea sounds good to those that ignore their history or are ignorant of it. In reality collectivization destroys individuality, and in the end that's what people are, individuals.

You think that "progressivism" is new?... naa, it's been done plenty of times and each time led to dictatorial regimes but under other names.


edit on 30-8-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.




posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 05:23 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Those hippies from the 60s are the elite now, and have been for a couple of decades at least.


Maybe some of the pseudo hippies are now the elite, but not the true hippies, who were serious about changing the status quo of the day. That's why Nixon declared 'war on drugs' in 1971, to shut down the movement and ensure the hardcore hippies would never be able to to have elite positions within society.



You think that "progressivism" is new?... naa, it's been done plenty of times and each time led to dictatorial regimes but under other names.


That's completely false, all dictatorial regimes have come about though traditionalism and conservative values. The US was built on progressive values and it could have remained that way, but then the corporation was born and capitalism took over from democracy.



posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 05:44 AM
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There is a war against all heritage, not just American. Its over the world over..



posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 08:05 AM
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a reply to: donhuangenaro

This is true. It is a repeat of the colonialism that followed the destruction of Atlantis.

a reply to: maddy21

Yes, but not in the Third World. This has happened to a certain extent in China due to modernity, communism, atheism what have you. But they are still fiercely nationalistic. I mean ridiculously so. They are certainly not cut off from their gestalt consciousness.

This is almost squarely targeting the First World, though Japan, Korea and such Far East Asian nations are immune to this to a certain extent. I think they have preserved their culture in a way that the West hasn't even though they've embraced modernity fully, perhaps more than any other nations.



posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: ElectricUniverse


That's completely false, all dictatorial regimes have come about though traditionalism and conservative values. The US was built on progressive values and it could have remained that way, but then the corporation was born and capitalism took over from democracy.


Are you stupid or something? Not trying to be confrontational, it's a genuine question.

You've never heard of the communist revolutions of the 20th century? Those were founded as the antithesis to tradition. They were very much "dictatorial regimes."



posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 01:29 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

Maybe some of the pseudo hippies are now the elite, but not the true hippies, who were serious about changing the status quo of the day. That's why Nixon declared 'war on drugs' in 1971, to shut down the movement and ensure the hardcore hippies would never be able to to have elite positions within society.


The Clinton's did drugs, even Obama has stated to have indulged in drugs in his younger days, sometimes I don't even think he has gotten off them.



originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

That's completely false, all dictatorial regimes have come about though traditionalism and conservative values. The US was built on progressive values and it could have remained that way, but then the corporation was born and capitalism took over from democracy.


No, what you claim is what's completely false. The red revolutions goal has always been to destroy traditional values, and certain conservative views. The biggest corporation was born from the hand of progressive democrats. They were the ones who implemented the Federal Reserve, which is the world's biggest corporation, and it's the same one that helped completely corrupt politics in the U.S. and alongside the World Bank, and the IMF, etc, they corrupted much of the rest of the world.

Capitalism didn't take over from democracy. The idea of free markets existed and worked well for thousands of years before corporations came around.


edit on 30-8-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 06:23 PM
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If you want the US to go base itself on the origins of the culture then we would be looking back to the native people whom we stole the land from, in which case even the confederate flag would be irrelevant and all those "founding fathers" as well. This land was stolen, just like Sweden was basically stolen from the vikings. I guess the real question is 'how far back do you want to go in our traditional attitude?' I guess as long as we go as far back as your ancestors then it's correct, but any farther and its wrong and any progression beyond that is wrong as well?



posted on Aug, 30 2015 @ 06:48 PM
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a reply to: DanoDGreat

Tell me more about how Sweden was stolen from the Vikings? I'm puzzled about this statement. I don't know if you're misinformed or if you're getting at something else.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 12:42 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse


The Clinton's did drugs, even Obama has stated to have indulged in drugs in his younger days, sometimes I don't even think he has gotten off them.


So did Bush, but by bringing this fact up you've just proved my entire point. The war on drugs is used as a tool to control & legally discriminate against only 'undesirables' who threaten the status quo.

Which is why the penalty for crack is more severe than coke and why poor black nieghbourhoods have been flooded with crack. Hence, the mass arrests & harassment that take place in these nieghbourhoods can easily be justified by TPTB.



No, what you claim is what's completely false. The red revolutions goal has always been to destroy traditional values, and certain conservative views


So are you trying to claim the soviet union was all about same sex marriage, equality of all minorities & belief systems and the masses having total control in how there government was run?



The biggest corporation was born from the hand of progressive democrats.


First you claimed the progressive movement created communism, then in the next sentence claim they were also responsible for modern day corporate control. In other words, it seems to me that you can't even decide what progressivism actually is.



Capitalism didn't take over from democracy. The idea of free markets existed and worked well for thousands of years before corporations came around.


Firstly, there wouldn't be a bureaucracy in a true democracy. Plus, how can capitalism possibly not contradict democracy?

In a democratic system the people rule, but in a capitalists system the rich rule. A democratic capitalism may have balanced itself out before the corporation came along, but in the modern times, the democratic process has become a completely meaningless gesture, since the 1% rule the masses no matter what party you vote for.

True progressives would accept that modern day capitalism has destroyed the democratic process and would 'progress' towards making changes to rectify the situation. Conservatives would stubbornly want to keep there traditional values and keep doing things the way they've always been done, even when the ideology has become obsolete and completely ineffective.

Calling one side conservative and the other progressive in a 2 party capitalist system is just an ignorant delusion. There both different sides of the same coin, whose sole purpose is to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

We currently have a capitalist democracy and what's needed is a socialist democracy. Privately owned banks should be banned and should be made non for profit government run agencies, then the bureaucracy as a whole should be subjected to the democratic process, so the masses have total control over all government agencies.

Political parties should be banned, so your voting for the person and not the party and elected officials aren't obligated to follow the status quo of a political party. Corporate donations should also be banned.

It should also be highly illegal to base policies on christian morals and primitive "traditional" ideologies.

Do all that and society would become a true democracy and we would no longer be just a bunch of compliant slaves to the 1%, ranting on about primitive traditional values, like we are now.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 01:01 AM
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a reply to: Talorc


Are you stupid or something?


Is that a rhetorical question, or are you honestly interested in my opinion on my own mental capability?



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 05:04 AM
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a reply to: edward777
The real reason there's a destruction of *any established value* is to make people reliant on the State for culture, to make them spiritually devoid so that consumerism becomes their contentment.

The entire illuminati goal is to build their pharaohnic version of the world over our old cultures, which we wont accept unless we have no alternative culture to grasp...



a reply to: TheLaughingGod
There's no evidence period that the modern Danes are descended from the tribe of Dan, they are Norse and Germanic like other Scandinavians. But the namesake may come from it. Also note that the peninsula is named "Jutland", country of the Jutes.

The idea that the Danes ARE the tribe of Dan is only pushed by white supremacists trying to rewrite history making the Hebrews white, so that they can claim white is god's chosen race. The "british israelist" movement and all.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 05:29 AM
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Always amaze me how Human imagination works



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 05:46 AM
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Is there a war on western heritage? I don't really see it. Things move on, times change. Mostly for the best. Traditions should be questioned, nothing should be beyond criticism. Maybe I'm a cultural Marxist who sees nothing wrong with the critique of our culture, the problem is more the hegemony of corporations and not some leftist plot that change cultural heritage. I thought Swedish culture was about abba and flat pack furniture. Only joking, I'm sure there's much more to it, but abba were good and ikea is a great shop.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: Ridhya

I hear you. What I do wonder though is if the Aesir came from Asia.

Completely off topic though.

I think I may have mellowed out a little with this thread.. in the end it'll be alright.

What do y'all think, will paganism make a big come back in Europe? That should be sufficiently on topic I think.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 11:30 PM
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a reply to: edward777

I wish I could give this one hundred stars and flags. So accurate!! You hit the nail on the head here. Manipulating people, molding them to suit those in power, is indeed the goal.

The solution? Do everything possible to preserve our heritage. Teach our children the facts, no matter what nonsense the schools push. Heck, get them out of the schools, if at all possible, teach them ourselves. With Common Core, they aren't going to be learning a lot, anyway. Nothing real, nothing useful. I am appalled at what I have seen in textbooks. Not just history is being rewritten, either. Anti-freedom agendas are pushed, math is redone to the point of being unrecognizable ("friendly" answers, anyone?), and agendas are even pushed in the form of examples in grammar texts.

We have to fight for our heritage. If we don't, it will be gone.



posted on Aug, 31 2015 @ 11:45 PM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

schools today are having a difficult time keeping up with the changing priorities (lesson plans) and "how" to deliver the information to the students using state of the art technology in the classroom, that includes teaching kids with computers and sometimes on-line lectures and other videos, home schooling is also a big concern for parents because some of them can provide a better education at home instead of sending the kids to school where they get 'bullied' and treated badly by other kids



posted on Sep, 1 2015 @ 04:43 AM
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a reply to: TheLaughingGod

In my scholarly opinion yes, Asia ("ah-see-ah") is Latin for 'country of the As', and it follows the trail of the red-haired Germanii from Persia (Herodotus) to Europe (Caesar, Takitus). See my posts here for more info
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Paganism is generally on the decline, although the New Age cults have sucked in a lot of gullible people. I think that right wing racist movements will increase as a reaction force to immigration. As history proves movements turn extremist when people become desperate, and want someone to turn their anger on



posted on Sep, 1 2015 @ 07:27 AM
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a reply to: Ridhya

Asia. Assiah. This is gold.

For what it's worth, I was just told you are right, this is the case. The Aesir came from Persia back in the days when being a powerful enough sorcerer could get you deified.

You have no interest in the Tocharians and such similar tribes? There's blondes among the Hmong people. Seems white people were all around Asia back in the days. White Buddhists.. just disappeared.

You talk of Vedic Aryans as white people? I always felt that this was right.

Awesome posts in those threads.

I see now you compared their customs. Still I'm pretty sure white people were around in India back in the days.

"Of course the Vedic Aryans split into the Zoroastrians and Brahmans or w/e division, and the Persians (along with the Medes) were descended from them."

Reminds me of Parvati turning black (into Kali) and being all pissed off at Shiva about something. I'd bet they were descended of seafaring peoples whose settlements were lost with the melting ice. Atlantis, Thule..

What do you know about Thule by the way? My mother claims she have both heard from an Indian man and read it in a book that Indians were familiar with Thule as a forgotten island.
edit on 1-9-2015 by TheLaughingGod because: Correction.



posted on Sep, 1 2015 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: yulka

i do provide for myself, but only recently started..... i did have to be employed at one time to gain capital. i can distill water from the ground, i am canning green tomatoes an jalapeno peppers tonight, granted my neighbor grew these, they were freely given because i feed his chickens, guineas and dogs while he is out of town. we take care of our own, even against the law out here. do you find yourself in such an advantageous situation? we will survive what is coming, and rise from the ashes even stronger.



posted on Sep, 1 2015 @ 06:37 PM
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a reply to: fixitwcw

Nice! I live in Sweden, we will adapt fairly quickly. Most of us know. But a tide is coming, that made our choice different.



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