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The real reason there is a war against western heritage

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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 04:58 AM
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a reply to: CJCrawley

Yes, I suppose Germany is the sleeping giant here. But also, France.

A few years ago we had a few major European politicians that proclaimed the failure of multiculturalism. So they're definitely changing gears.




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 05:03 AM
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a reply to: yulka

You 'real' world exists largely due to the U.S. fantasy, as you call it. The past is being altered, at least from the view of which aspects are being stressed.

Your Viking heritage is a local aspect. The European 'fantasy' is the denial that it's history is far more and longer time-wise in violence than even the ME. That your unprecedented era of peace was due to a dominating sole super-power, both militarily and economically which bailed Europe out and preserved it long enough for a new generation to form a European Union.

It also ignores that fact that as the U.S. fades, both economically and militarily, the multiple power scenario returns yet again. As the U.S. retreats back into an isolationist mentality, the same ingredients become apparent that existed prior to both world wars. Russia's expansionist efforts are the prima facie evidence that history is once again repeating itself.

I've often heard from Europeans that the problem with the U.S. is it hasn't experienced a renaissance. Being a 'rebirth', of course, implies and is backed by history a dark age prior to that rebirth. What? 500 years of barbarism? No thanks. We'll pass on that one thank you very much...


U.S. fantasy? Ok. Let's assume that the U.S. 'culture' is fantasy based. So is yours. Sorry about that....



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 05:06 AM
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originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
a reply to: CJCrawley

Yes, I suppose Germany is the sleeping giant here. But also, France.

A few years ago we had a few major European politicians that proclaimed the failure of multiculturalism. So they're definitely changing gears.


If the Muslim do not reform and keep doing insane things then yes there will be trouble. I am not fond of PK tolerance. And say Islam is a religion of peace for some, but a religion of war for others depending on what part of the book you choose to follow. I am called a blind hate monger by some Muslim here since I refuse to only see the one shining side and point out both dualities (contradictions) in the Quran.

But I will not become a viking barbarian. Why create a new problem when we are trying to solve another one?



Philosopher Karl Popper defined the paradox in 1945 in The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1.[1]

"Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."

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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 05:14 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

You dont understand, you will never understand. Nothing is complex, its live or die. The rest are just bed time stories we tell to the kids, good and the bad guy.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 05:25 AM
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Im gonna say it like it is, the western society hit the Golden age after WW1 and WW2 we had full productiveness through all of Europe, so did Japan, @thelaughinggod, will you go to war over Ideals? No but you can complain alot, the rest of you, everything you have in life is not because you are productive it is the SOLE reason YOU were born in a Golden Age after a Massive war! You complain, about fellow human who looks different and have different ideals, cause of the only reason, You act as a Monkey a primate, a lazy, spoiled primate, your natural instincts kicks in.

You want a new Golden age? Making a war in europe is not a Problem, how about a freaking huge one that makes the WW2 look like kindergarden? The 15.000 Nukes seems like a fun game? Id bet you afterwards you will have a lot of work, and those chinese people taking all of our industry, geee theyll probably get unemployed.

The real world is reaaallly effin bad, its been like this for the last 6000 years, so when people are fleeing, please just stfu, let them come over to a peaceful place or gtfo of my country and let someone who could be useful have your place.

Thank you
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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 05:28 AM
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Did you know that Sweden's prime minister called our nation a "humanitarian Superpower". He really did.. see that narcissism? See that Swedish narcissism above? If Swedes were diagnosed their narcissistic self-hate would make Jung shudder. It's incredibly two faced.. these people pretend to be interested in other cultures but they're living isolated somewhere in the suburbs talking about those poor people.. that are traditional as hell by the way. They are always to be preserved, they are pure, they are noble savages. But our own traditions? They're evil..


It is a strange form of narcissism combined with guilt. Swedes are supposed to feel guilty from day one for anything they work for unless they win lotto or are pop singers.

However, the same tactic that has worked in Sweden to make for your 6-in-1 parties stay in charge is being employed in the whole of the western world. Get rid of pride in national symbols and family and then create a corporatist society where people are measured on what brands they buy rather than their character and you have the goal of the elite NWO.
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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 05:35 AM
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Russia's expansionist efforts are the prima facie evidence that history is once again repeating itself.


What Russian expansionism? You really buy the propaganda of John McCain and Carl Bildt?

Even Henry Kissinger is putting the blame for the current lead-in to WW3 at the feet of the USA.

And if Swedes think McCain is worried about your security you don't know the mind-set of American neo-cons very well.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 05:37 AM
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a reply to: TheLaughingGod

you are a very wise person.




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 05:40 AM
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a reply to: Subaeruginosa



Tell that to the hippies of the 60's who rejected traditional values and were responsible for enacting the biggest revolution in modern day history, against TPTB.


Yes , remind us of the mistakes we made now that we are older and wiser. Well except the ones that went on to form the Progress Liberal Left. They never learned nor grew up . They are still stuck in the 60-70s mentality of free love commune living,socialism(please provide free stuff for us) and other things I will not mention.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 05:53 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

Well yeah, but the hippies were extremists. So all there flawed philosophies just prove that extremist values are stupid, whether conservative or progressive.

Though, my point was its traditionalism that gives the Government undisputed total control over the masses, not progressivism. Go to far right and society becomes a tyranny, go to far left and society becomes an anarchy.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 05:55 AM
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a reply to: edward777

Well you dont have to be that honest, we like the " over a century long winter " golden age just sucked, work,work,work,work. Soon its, enjoy life as we should, not like under-stimulated primates.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 06:01 AM
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a reply to: yulka

you are young, but intelligent.... and you have a heart. the only thing you lack, is experience. give it 10 years, when you are closer to 30
and have a son to keep alive in this hell hole.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 06:23 AM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: Gothmog

Well yeah, but the hippies were extremists. So all there flawed philosophies just prove that extremist values are stupid, whether conservative or progressive.

Though, my point was its traditionalism that gives the Government undisputed total control over the masses, not progressivism. Go to far right and society becomes a tyranny, go to far left and society becomes an anarchy.


one groups flawed philosophies can not prove that "extremism is stupid"......

in my opinion, progressivism is pretty extremist. in fact, the word extremism is so vague, ambiguous, and broad that it is worthless. i am a perfectionist...... so i am an extremist....... are you saying i am stupid?



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 06:28 AM
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a reply to: fixitwcw

You still dont understand, when you try to say, they are different, i can tell you this. All you really know is how to go to the supermarket,nothing but a primate who learned how to cook some food on electronics he has no idea how they work, but makes you feel smart doesnt it, more privileged.

Im a Kale, i couldnt care more for your illusionary world. When you become a slave to your own illusion, it becomes to only thing that keeps you alive.

Dont ever mock, or even insinuate that ideals change after the age of ten, has nothing to do with experience, its the
environment and surroundings you grow up in. And in your case, i see just sh/t for a primate.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 06:44 AM
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originally posted by: yulka
Soo fellow Swedes, im not sure the rest of the ATS community wants to hear us bickering when it comes to Sweden, remember we should always play dumb, cause you forget these people have ideals.


Lets just take a fika, and eat a cinnamon bun


I don't mind as an American, it seems like it is about my country most of the time.

Although i'm reminded of a quote from the first transformers movie.

"English dude, English! "

I just want to know WTF you guys said.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 06:51 AM
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a reply to: yulka

What is it that I don't understand?


a reply to: LittleByLittle

This is exactly what I think has happened, particularly in Sweden because we are so nice. Too nice, too naive. Look at the phone ad on TV with the immigrant shop owner. The police is minding his store, one of the store owners friends comes by and buys a phone card and sets his own prize. Isn't that typical of a Swede though? The official authority person, a Swedish police mumbling completely emasculated.

Immigrant gangs can do pretty much whatever they want, they can burn hundreds of cars and the cultural elite in Swedish media will call them unruly kids.

And if one dares have a problem with this, then one is instantly accused of being a racist.


a reply to: fixitwcw

Thank you =)



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 07:01 AM
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originally posted by: HummDinger
a reply to: edward777

Western heritage is under attack? Really? Seems to me like a bunch of people playing to victim card, the jews would be proud


they're danes (tribe of dan). look up the historical battle between the tribe of dan and the rest of the tribes of israel. sad thing is: some don't want to forget that and are in the process of assimilating it into the murky melting pot. in fact, last few (end of the world stuff) passages in the bible reveal that the tribe of dan is simply gone, either eradicated via war or via assimilation.
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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 07:03 AM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: edward777
That is why symbols like the Confederate flag are positioned by the media as racist and a symbol of hatred rather than rebellion against central power. And that is why the importance of family and family values are being challenged 24/7 in almost all entertainment. Break people from the strength of their past traditions and you can make them conform to anything. Break them from their traditions and you can break their individuality and will.


Tell that to the hippies of the 60's who rejected traditional values and were responsible for enacting the biggest revolution in modern day history, against TPTB.

You've got your wires crossed mate. Traditionalism is how the central power keeps the masses under control, TPTB fears progressive values, because it takes the power away from the elites to control the masses and gives it to the people.



Just a thought here so please don't take it the wrong way but if I were you I would take a look at the lesser known history and nuances of the hippie movement before I try to champion them as against TPTB. I'll start you off with this if your not already familiar Laurel Canyon and some of the major players and pioneers of that movement such as Jim Morrison.

Sorry I don't feel like taking the time to search for/post link but there it is google or youtube just Laurel Canyon and see where that rabbit hole takes you, good luck.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 07:04 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

The renaissance is coming my man, it can't go any other way when society has become as plastic as it is. I mean look around, it's all fake, glitter and glamour. Total pop cultural saturation.

Something has got to go.. I'm reminded of the Illuminati card game card called Interesting Times:

"
Things are getting so weird not even the Secret Masters are sure what's going on.
Unfortunately, this makes them grumpy, and they tend to argue a lot, slam doors and destroy small nations.
"



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 07:17 AM
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a reply to: TheLaughingGod


although i recognize the social phenomenons you talk about, i just gotta say it's kinda funny you would talk about fake glitter and glamour with that particular avatar . hehe




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