I would agree, this is a great debate so far, and you have been a wonderful opponent. Im not sure I understand your reference to my 30% posts, unless
you mean the bulk of it consists of factual information and the remainder is my opinion (which would be about accurate
(Does that mean you are conceding some points? I certainly hope not, this debate is going much too well to end it prematurely!)
You wish to maintain your assertion that all human evolution is due to natural evolution? Well, that is certainly your perogative. I don't know of
any statute that requires the mental acceptance of any given idea, regardless of how much supporting evidence is presented in the ideas favor.
Therefore, you may certainly maintain your assertion as long as you wish!
I would however point out that I have shown(accurately) an obvious discrepancy in the genetic evolution of Homo Sapiens Sapiens, one that has been
known of in the circles of anthropology, archaeology, and zoology for many years now, and is the subject of investigation as "one of the great
mysteries of science".
I have shown that humanity began an accelerated route of evolution approximately 200,000 years ago, which is something that has NEVER happened in the
fossil record, before or since, with ANY other species on the planet.
I have shown that this accelerated rate of evolution is totally anomalous, and indeed violates all established laws concerning natural evolution, as
observed in all other species on the planet.
I have shown that humanity has undergone a significantly larger amount of evolution since our simultaneous split from "Lucy" than our closest
genetic relative the Chimpanzee. If we were indeed progressing at a normal evolutionary rate, both humans and chimps would have evolved the same
amount. We have evolved far more in the same amount of time.
I have shown just how little genetic manipulation is needed to create a very large phsyiological difference over an appropriate time scale. (Only 1%
difference between humans and chimps... If that genetic difference were started 200,000 years ago, it would likely only take the modification of a
couple of base pairs of DNA, not a complete reengineering)
I have shown that we humans, to this day, carry with us in our very being the legacy of this modification in an unnatural feature, the telomeres.
That is a large amount of proof right there. Indeed, in the abscence of performing a direct experiment in DNA, or commissioning an experienced
microbiologist or geneticist to go through the Human Genome results with a fine tooth comb for other clues (which would likely resolve this dispute
unequivocally) this is VERY convincing proof. Unfortunately, I doubt that Simon has enough of a budget associated with ATS to run such experiments or
to commission such research.
I fear that you have posted little compelling evidence to refute the fact that human evolution has been abnormal in nature.
I also consider the Dogon mystery to be a very convincing point in support of aliens on earth in the past. Again, you have unfortunately posted little
compelling evidence to refute this information.
I find it interesting that you bring up so much material associated with the creation of the world by God, Allah, or the One God. (I would point out
that in scientific grounds, religion and evolutionary theory are mutually exclusive).
Ironically, when viewed through scientific eyes, your posts provide very clear evidence supporting the presence of aliens in prehistoric times, and
may even provide proof of thier presence today.
Allah only created us. He didn't create another civilization. Allah sent us the prophets: Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, etc. Posted by
Indeed. What if we were to simply substitute an Alien intelligence for Allah? For the world, and even for your beliefs, it wouldnt change much,
although it does change one important thing: who exactly created the human race.
Keep in mind, the genetic modifications leading to the creation of the human race took place LONG before these books were written, and even before the
men who wrote them were born, or thier parents were born (although, thier existence was likely being planned, for just the reasons I am about to lay
out for you)
(I guess, as a geologist, I have a slight advantage in this field, as geologists have already readjusted thier thinking to far longer timelines than
most people have.)
Consider: If an Alien intelligence created the human race, and then wished to monitor its progress, as the human race advanced, the aliens would be
interested in a way to influence and control our species. Because they would possess such advanced technology, and because the human race would be
ignorant of technology, the advanced aliens would be looked upon as gods. This is the very beginning of the world we now have.
The aliens would likely seize upon this worship by the humans, and it would not take a great deal of imagination to see how they could find a very
effective way of influencing and controlling the entire human race through thier own beliefs. It is what would now be termed a psyop (psychological
The alien intelligence would easily put together a legend, ready made to be broadcast to the human race, a legend that would put them in a worshipped
light, and allow the aliens to hand down wisdom as they saw fit, and to also hand down decrees that the humans would follow and obey.
Thus was born Yaweh, Allah, God, and a dozen other names. The consolidation of worship to a singular individual did much to concentrate the focus of
human attention, and divert it away from other factors that may have led to an "enlightenment" of the humans about thier true origins.
Of course, the following of religions today is not a surprising event, considering that the religions were engineered from so long ago for that very
purpose. I see that these alien intelligences likely had a sense of timelines similar to that of a geologist... they understood that thousands of
years after such religions were established, they would be ingrained parts of human society, and as such, would be above questioning. The religions
WOULD BE the truth, and any review of facts surrounding it would not be allowed.
Which of course is exactly what they intended to happen.
You say the aliens planted something in the Prophets' to have them live longer? Posted by Illmatic67
I do. I believe the evidence is there to show this to be fact. All of these people were very significant biblical people, all of them did much to
expand and promote thier religions. All of them were reputed to have lived extended lifespans. As I previously argued, it would be a simple matter for
the aliens to genetically modify an individual to deactivate thier telomeres, giving them a very long lifespan, and programming them to spread thier
gospel far and wide (which is exactly what they did, as documented in the various religious records).
Let's not forget that Iblis was the smartest angel of God. He was the bringer of light. Posted by Illmatic67
I am particularly interested in this part. There are many writings indicating a "battle of the gods" in times past, which includes the use of
weapons never before seen at the time, but are now recognized as weapons we now possess, such as nuclear weapons.
I find it very likely, in a long term, large scale project as this looks like, that some factionalization could develope among the alien groups.
Perhaps Ilbis was a faction that decided to "enlighten/illuminate" the human race as to its actual origins, and explain that the alien intelligence
was in fact a biological race, just as humans are.
As this action would naturally threaten the power structure that had been developed around the newly established religions, the alien intelligence
would likely brand Ilbis as evil, forcing humans to not associate with him, discrediting him, and making humans not trust him.
It is interesting that the main thrust of this concept is to reject knowledge and not ask questions.
Of course, you are likely to ask, how else can I prove that aliens existed? Can I show you a physical example of thier presence here?
To this, I have to point out that governments across the planet have a long standing policy to prevent such information from being known or found by
the general public.
Perhaps, this in itself is evidence of alien presence here, still, today? In order to conceal itself.