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originally posted by: spy66
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: edmc^2
Links are just to show that blue whales have been seen to mate in the wild.
Your links say such a sighting has never been documented. If you have any evidence to contradict that, post it. Nobody on this thread is going to believe a word of what you say without evidence now.
If you want to argue with that then I can't help you.
On the contrary, you've helped prove me right, destroyed your own credibility and scored another own goal against Creationism.
I should thank you, really. You've done my work for me.
(High King) Astyanax, I couldn't care less about Creationism or about winning. If you think you won, then more power to you and for that congratulations. But what I care most is the truth and the evidence that supports it. Hence like I said, I think I'll just create my own thread and present the evidence there, then have you or anyone else give your best to debunk it - that is show that the evidence for Creation or to be exact Biblical Creation is/are not factual, not logical nor even scientific. I'm sure with your super intellect and that as you said I "destroyed my own credibility" this will be a cake walk for you. But we'll have to see, but in meantime, you have the podium. bye.
that thread already exists, and you are in it, right now. many other similar versions of this thread also exist, some also with you in them, and the results are identical across the board:
Science = 1
Creationism = 0
but dont let that keep you from trying. just warn us first so we can have the snacks and drinks ready.
You might be surprised by the outcome TzarChasm.
No offence mate, but i sincerely doubt that. We have heard ALL of the things you probably are going to say 1000 times before.
Do you not think that if there was ACTUAL proof it would be earth shattering news...instead of it being on a crappy forum, posted by one guy.
None taken my friend. It's going to be a friendly conversation among ATSer's from a different point of view. As for proof, I prefer to use the word evidence as it lend support to my argument that God is the originator (creator) of life.
Unfortunately due to my (present) work schedule, I'm only able to post the thread after the 24th. Hence my comments here are just dribs and drabs. Hopefully by then I can be fully engage in the discussion.
ciao.
In other words....you have nothing.
If you did, you would present it all.
If Our universe is 13,79 billion years old. What void was Our universe made up of 17 billion years ago?
originally posted by: IslandOfMisfitToys
originally posted by: spy66
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: edmc^2
Links are just to show that blue whales have been seen to mate in the wild.
Your links say such a sighting has never been documented. If you have any evidence to contradict that, post it. Nobody on this thread is going to believe a word of what you say without evidence now.
If you want to argue with that then I can't help you.
On the contrary, you've helped prove me right, destroyed your own credibility and scored another own goal against Creationism.
I should thank you, really. You've done my work for me.
(High King) Astyanax, I couldn't care less about Creationism or about winning. If you think you won, then more power to you and for that congratulations. But what I care most is the truth and the evidence that supports it. Hence like I said, I think I'll just create my own thread and present the evidence there, then have you or anyone else give your best to debunk it - that is show that the evidence for Creation or to be exact Biblical Creation is/are not factual, not logical nor even scientific. I'm sure with your super intellect and that as you said I "destroyed my own credibility" this will be a cake walk for you. But we'll have to see, but in meantime, you have the podium. bye.
that thread already exists, and you are in it, right now. many other similar versions of this thread also exist, some also with you in them, and the results are identical across the board:
Science = 1
Creationism = 0
but dont let that keep you from trying. just warn us first so we can have the snacks and drinks ready.
You might be surprised by the outcome TzarChasm.
No offence mate, but i sincerely doubt that. We have heard ALL of the things you probably are going to say 1000 times before.
Do you not think that if there was ACTUAL proof it would be earth shattering news...instead of it being on a crappy forum, posted by one guy.
None taken my friend. It's going to be a friendly conversation among ATSer's from a different point of view. As for proof, I prefer to use the word evidence as it lend support to my argument that God is the originator (creator) of life.
Unfortunately due to my (present) work schedule, I'm only able to post the thread after the 24th. Hence my comments here are just dribs and drabs. Hopefully by then I can be fully engage in the discussion.
ciao.
In other words....you have nothing.
If you did, you would present it all.
If Our universe is 13,79 billion years old. What void was Our universe made up of 17 billion years ago?
If God is infinite why did he decide to make something only a few thousand years ago?
originally posted by: r0xor
The evidence for creation is that the universe even exists to begin with; that a big bang even happened.
You can flip the logic because according to physics, # can't just spring out of thin air (in opposition to creationism).
Well, if that's true, then why is there anything at all, such as matter, planets, stars, even the vacuum of space? Oh, the Big Bang you say. This happened, then that, over billions of years. Okay, I agree. But before that, how did the first matter ever form? It's not logically explainable, which is why the Big Bang theory even exists; which is why this thread exists.
So then, # can spontaneously form out of thin air through some complex process called the Big Bang, but God can't do it. If # can't be spontaneously created ever, then all matter which exists has always existed, for infinity.
Either something can come out of nothing, or it can't. If it can't, why does anything exist, ever? The space in which matter sits in the form of beings and objects, how did the space form. It always was there, infinity eons ago? Was it there before the "Big Bang"?
originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: spygeek
I believe in creationism... I also believe in evolution as in integral part of the Creator's creation. I don't have any evidence, just a basic understanding that everything comes from somewhere, and that there are too many "accidents" and/or "coincidences" involved for life to be just another happy biological "accident" or "coincidence."
I don't have to completely understand it to know that it is. I don't know how electricity works, but I know that it is. I don't understand exactly how weather happens, but I know that it does. Much the same way no one really understands exactly how/why evolution occurs.
Here's my question: Why do you care what I believe? How is it any skin off your back if I believe in creationism? I don't care why you believe in evolution but not creationism. Neither one of us can unequivocally prove either creationism or evolution. So what's the point? (Other than to poke and provoke those who do believe of course).
I am seriously asking. Why do you care? Should I just dismiss such questions as an effort to poke and provoke those who dare to believe differently than you? Or is there a practical purpose for your question?