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originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe
a reply to: Barcs
There are several models that are supported by evidence and members of the scientific community.
The big bang is not considered by all to be the definitive theory.
I have read all about the big bang theory and the evidence is fairly flimsy in places and scientists admit this.
originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: edmc^2
Links are just to show that blue whales have been seen to mate in the wild.
Your links say such a sighting has never been documented. If you have any evidence to contradict that, post it. Nobody on this thread is going to believe a word of what you say without evidence now.
If you want to argue with that then I can't help you.
On the contrary, you've helped prove me right, destroyed your own credibility and scored another own goal against Creationism.
I should thank you, really. You've done my work for me.
originally posted by: flanimal4114
a reply to: 3danimator2014
ok giblet what makes a "fact" oh right it needs these things:
fact : In science, an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as “true.”
observe it.
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: edmc^2
Links are just to show that blue whales have been seen to mate in the wild.
Your links say such a sighting has never been documented. If you have any evidence to contradict that, post it. Nobody on this thread is going to believe a word of what you say without evidence now.
If you want to argue with that then I can't help you.
On the contrary, you've helped prove me right, destroyed your own credibility and scored another own goal against Creationism.
I should thank you, really. You've done my work for me.
(High King) Astyanax, I couldn't care less about Creationism or about winning. If you think you won, then more power to you and for that congratulations. But what I care most is the truth and the evidence that supports it. Hence like I said, I think I'll just create my own thread and present the evidence there, then have you or anyone else give your best to debunk it - that is show that the evidence for Creation or to be exact Biblical Creation is/are not factual, not logical nor even scientific. I'm sure with your super intellect and that as you said I "destroyed my own credibility" this will be a cake walk for you. But we'll have to see, but in meantime, you have the podium. bye.
originally posted by: Barcs
a reply to: edmc^2
If I were a gambling man (and I am) I would bet the farm that the new thread you create will have all the same ol' tireless long debunked arguments against evolution that you have posted in the past, but by all means if you enjoy getting debunked over and over and over, then that's perfectly fine. Some people like self inflicted pain, I don't judge them.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: edmc^2
Links are just to show that blue whales have been seen to mate in the wild.
Your links say such a sighting has never been documented. If you have any evidence to contradict that, post it. Nobody on this thread is going to believe a word of what you say without evidence now.
If you want to argue with that then I can't help you.
On the contrary, you've helped prove me right, destroyed your own credibility and scored another own goal against Creationism.
I should thank you, really. You've done my work for me.
(High King) Astyanax, I couldn't care less about Creationism or about winning. If you think you won, then more power to you and for that congratulations. But what I care most is the truth and the evidence that supports it. Hence like I said, I think I'll just create my own thread and present the evidence there, then have you or anyone else give your best to debunk it - that is show that the evidence for Creation or to be exact Biblical Creation is/are not factual, not logical nor even scientific. I'm sure with your super intellect and that as you said I "destroyed my own credibility" this will be a cake walk for you. But we'll have to see, but in meantime, you have the podium. bye.
that thread already exists, and you are in it, right now. many other similar versions of this thread also exist, some also with you in them, and the results are identical across the board:
Science = 1
Creationism = 0
but dont let that keep you from trying. just warn us first so we can have the snacks and drinks ready.
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: edmc^2
Links are just to show that blue whales have been seen to mate in the wild.
Your links say such a sighting has never been documented. If you have any evidence to contradict that, post it. Nobody on this thread is going to believe a word of what you say without evidence now.
If you want to argue with that then I can't help you.
On the contrary, you've helped prove me right, destroyed your own credibility and scored another own goal against Creationism.
I should thank you, really. You've done my work for me.
(High King) Astyanax, I couldn't care less about Creationism or about winning. If you think you won, then more power to you and for that congratulations. But what I care most is the truth and the evidence that supports it. Hence like I said, I think I'll just create my own thread and present the evidence there, then have you or anyone else give your best to debunk it - that is show that the evidence for Creation or to be exact Biblical Creation is/are not factual, not logical nor even scientific. I'm sure with your super intellect and that as you said I "destroyed my own credibility" this will be a cake walk for you. But we'll have to see, but in meantime, you have the podium. bye.
that thread already exists, and you are in it, right now. many other similar versions of this thread also exist, some also with you in them, and the results are identical across the board:
Science = 1
Creationism = 0
but dont let that keep you from trying. just warn us first so we can have the snacks and drinks ready.
You might be surprised by the outcome TzarChasm.
originally posted by: SGTkilt
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
originally posted by: Murgatroid
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
Im not calling you a liar. I believe you truely belive that he turned up etc...but i dont belive that that is what really heppened. Why would god show up at your house and not interevene to save that poor 3 year old who drowned? Doesnt make sense.
This is a question I have asked myself MANY times over the years.
I don't know the answer but I have a few clues to suggest why it happened to me...
When this happened I was an atheist but for the previous 2 years I was a sailor on a Navy ship.
Someone on that ship (USS Valdez) had been leaving small chick tracts in the crews lounge.
Every day as I would pass through this area I would pick some of them up and read them.
Also during this time another sailor left a bible behind in the 'Combat Information Center' and I started reading it.
Somewhere in scripture it mentions Gods word will not return void.
It also talks about asking, seeking, and knocking.
There must have been some kind of spiritual principal going on that caused it to happen.
And about that poor 3 year old who drowned...
In heaven, children are there, all the ones who died young, in childbirth, or were aborted.
Link
Oh, i see. So its ok, if children horribly with illness or deformities before they die...because they are goign to heaven! Phew! Lucky them! Thank you god for creating that worm/parasite/virus!
Your god is a sick, twisted, incomptetent fool...and deserves NO adulation. Fortunately, he doesnt exist
I wonder....why "fortunately" he doesn't exist you say? What if he did exist? And don't answer well he doesn't so doesn't matter does it. I mean hypothetically. God existed. What does that mean for your life?
originally posted by: edmc^2
of course in your mind it's bunk and debunked but the fact is you never debunked it. The discussion just merely took a long pause. In any case, this thread doesn't serve my purpose since I don't subscribe to creationism as coined and defined by Atheist and Evolutionist - a God of the Gaps.
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: edmc^2
Links are just to show that blue whales have been seen to mate in the wild.
Your links say such a sighting has never been documented. If you have any evidence to contradict that, post it. Nobody on this thread is going to believe a word of what you say without evidence now.
If you want to argue with that then I can't help you.
On the contrary, you've helped prove me right, destroyed your own credibility and scored another own goal against Creationism.
I should thank you, really. You've done my work for me.
(High King) Astyanax, I couldn't care less about Creationism or about winning. If you think you won, then more power to you and for that congratulations. But what I care most is the truth and the evidence that supports it. Hence like I said, I think I'll just create my own thread and present the evidence there, then have you or anyone else give your best to debunk it - that is show that the evidence for Creation or to be exact Biblical Creation is/are not factual, not logical nor even scientific. I'm sure with your super intellect and that as you said I "destroyed my own credibility" this will be a cake walk for you. But we'll have to see, but in meantime, you have the podium. bye.
that thread already exists, and you are in it, right now. many other similar versions of this thread also exist, some also with you in them, and the results are identical across the board:
Science = 1
Creationism = 0
but dont let that keep you from trying. just warn us first so we can have the snacks and drinks ready.
You might be surprised by the outcome TzarChasm.
No offence mate, but i sincerely doubt that. We have heard ALL of the things you probably are going to say 1000 times before.
Do you not think that if there was ACTUAL proof it would be earth shattering news...instead of it being on a crappy forum, posted by one guy.
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: edmc^2
Links are just to show that blue whales have been seen to mate in the wild.
Your links say such a sighting has never been documented. If you have any evidence to contradict that, post it. Nobody on this thread is going to believe a word of what you say without evidence now.
If you want to argue with that then I can't help you.
On the contrary, you've helped prove me right, destroyed your own credibility and scored another own goal against Creationism.
I should thank you, really. You've done my work for me.
(High King) Astyanax, I couldn't care less about Creationism or about winning. If you think you won, then more power to you and for that congratulations. But what I care most is the truth and the evidence that supports it. Hence like I said, I think I'll just create my own thread and present the evidence there, then have you or anyone else give your best to debunk it - that is show that the evidence for Creation or to be exact Biblical Creation is/are not factual, not logical nor even scientific. I'm sure with your super intellect and that as you said I "destroyed my own credibility" this will be a cake walk for you. But we'll have to see, but in meantime, you have the podium. bye.
that thread already exists, and you are in it, right now. many other similar versions of this thread also exist, some also with you in them, and the results are identical across the board:
Science = 1
Creationism = 0
but dont let that keep you from trying. just warn us first so we can have the snacks and drinks ready.
You might be surprised by the outcome TzarChasm.
No offence mate, but i sincerely doubt that. We have heard ALL of the things you probably are going to say 1000 times before.
Do you not think that if there was ACTUAL proof it would be earth shattering news...instead of it being on a crappy forum, posted by one guy.
None taken my friend. It's going to be a friendly conversation among ATSer's from a different point of view. As for proof, I prefer to use the word evidence as it lend support to my argument that God is the originator (creator) of life.
Unfortunately due to my (present) work schedule, I'm only able to post the thread after the 24th. Hence my comments here are just dribs and drabs. Hopefully by then I can be fully engage in the discussion.
ciao.
originally posted by: irishcigano
I fell in love with the theory of evolution from the first time I heard it.... I took a sick joy, out of convincing people that there was no god.
But the truth is evolution is a flawed theory too, that's why it will never be a law.
it can not ever become a scientific law, because the theory would have to break scientific laws, that we can prove at anytime any day. do you want an Example? How about the laws of thermodynamics. Things don't get better with age, and life can only come from life. That's two scientific laws the theory of evolution has to break to be true. There are other scientific laws the theory would have to bend to be a reality too. You go find them.
The Cambridge explosion is also a thorn in evolutions ass to. Basically it says overnight eighty percent of all the different body types on earth appeared over night.
If you look even closer though, you will see that only theories support the theory of evolution. Example, Soup theory.
This says with the right mix of heat and other variables that protein can be created, which is all true. The problem with this is the same process that creates peptides also destroys them. if you wanted to ask a statistics major what the odds of one protein coming into being without any outside help, he would tell you that the process would be improbable. If you don't know, in statistics if something is improbable, that means it can't happen.
a little side note your body is made of fifty thousand different proteins. This means no life should be here or anywhere.
originally posted by: spygeek
Inspired by an identically titled thread of the opposite position.
Seriously, is there any non biblical evidence in support of creationism?
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: edmc^2
Links are just to show that blue whales have been seen to mate in the wild.
Your links say such a sighting has never been documented. If you have any evidence to contradict that, post it. Nobody on this thread is going to believe a word of what you say without evidence now.
If you want to argue with that then I can't help you.
On the contrary, you've helped prove me right, destroyed your own credibility and scored another own goal against Creationism.
I should thank you, really. You've done my work for me.
(High King) Astyanax, I couldn't care less about Creationism or about winning. If you think you won, then more power to you and for that congratulations. But what I care most is the truth and the evidence that supports it. Hence like I said, I think I'll just create my own thread and present the evidence there, then have you or anyone else give your best to debunk it - that is show that the evidence for Creation or to be exact Biblical Creation is/are not factual, not logical nor even scientific. I'm sure with your super intellect and that as you said I "destroyed my own credibility" this will be a cake walk for you. But we'll have to see, but in meantime, you have the podium. bye.
that thread already exists, and you are in it, right now. many other similar versions of this thread also exist, some also with you in them, and the results are identical across the board:
Science = 1
Creationism = 0
but dont let that keep you from trying. just warn us first so we can have the snacks and drinks ready.
You might be surprised by the outcome TzarChasm.
No offence mate, but i sincerely doubt that. We have heard ALL of the things you probably are going to say 1000 times before.
Do you not think that if there was ACTUAL proof it would be earth shattering news...instead of it being on a crappy forum, posted by one guy.
None taken my friend. It's going to be a friendly conversation among ATSer's from a different point of view. As for proof, I prefer to use the word evidence as it lend support to my argument that God is the originator (creator) of life.
Unfortunately due to my (present) work schedule, I'm only able to post the thread after the 24th. Hence my comments here are just dribs and drabs. Hopefully by then I can be fully engage in the discussion.
ciao.
In other words....you have nothing.
If you did, you would present it all.