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Is There Evidence for Creationism? Show it to us.

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posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 11:06 PM
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originally posted by: Murgatroid
a reply to: Barcs

Actually I HAVE posted dozens of opinions of ex-religious people, probably more closer to several hundred.

One example from last year:


originally posted by: Murgatroid
a reply to: BlackArrow
This has nothing to do with religion...

Religion is nothing but more lies and hidden agendas like I mentioned above.

The demonic and religion both have a common source.

This is why they are BOTH are surrounded by nothing but lies and deception.

By studying those who have escaped the belly of the beast, this becomes very apparent: Ex-nun Charlotte Keckler, former Catholic priests Richard Bennett, Malachi Martin, and Jeremiah J. Crowley, Leo H. Lehmann, Kamal Saleem , Linda Laine, Naeem Fazal, etc.


In fact I believe I even used the same "rat poison for the soul" analogy with them.

I also hold religion to the same standard as evolution simply because I am 100% convinced they come from the same source.

The agenda for both is identical as well.

Concerning the intentional hoaxes perpetuated by the church...

I posted in another thread not 10 minutes ago about the fact that it's common knowledge among satanists that the church has been infiltrated.

You've probably seen posts I've written on this before, there are quite a few in fact.


Why are your standards different for creationism than they are for everything else that you think is a lie?


Imagine for just a second that God shows up at your house one day out of the blue and makes it VERY clear that he is alive and well...

This is exactly what happened to me back in 1979.

And that was just one experience of many.

I can 100% guarantee that if this ever happens to you, it will radically affect everything you believe about spiritual matters.

One's beliefs cannot remain the same once they experience some thing this profound.

I was an atheist when this happened BTW.

Now you mentioned that you were genuinely curious which I find pretty fascinating.

How often do you we someone on ATS say "hey buddy, why the hell do you believe that stuff?"

Not very often which is something that has always bothered me.

Bottom line is that you have earned my respect by saying what you really think...

If this post seems a little short on explanations it's simply because I have to run out the door in a minute.


I agree with your analysis, because of the reason science and religion are generally just as clueless as the ultimate facts. Every statement I have ever seen from an atheist, is lacking knowledge of the bible. Unless you want to just post a random wikipedia link. In all fairness, I disagree with the majority of religion as well. Wow! If I disagree with religion and science, I expect to end up in jail soon!
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posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: Murgatroid


Imagine for just a second that God shows up at your house one day out of the blue and makes it VERY clear that he is alive and well...

This is exactly what happened to me back in 1979.


what exactly was this experience?



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 09:22 AM
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originally posted by: Murgatroid
a reply to: Barcs

Actually I HAVE posted dozens of opinions of ex-religious people, probably more closer to several hundred.

One example from last year:


originally posted by: Murgatroid
a reply to: BlackArrow
This has nothing to do with religion...

Religion is nothing but more lies and hidden agendas like I mentioned above.

The demonic and religion both have a common source.

This is why they are BOTH are surrounded by nothing but lies and deception.

By studying those who have escaped the belly of the beast, this becomes very apparent: Ex-nun Charlotte Keckler, former Catholic priests Richard Bennett, Malachi Martin, and Jeremiah J. Crowley, Leo H. Lehmann, Kamal Saleem , Linda Laine, Naeem Fazal, etc.


In fact I believe I even used the same "rat poison for the soul" analogy with them.

I also hold religion to the same standard as evolution simply because I am 100% convinced they come from the same source.

The agenda for both is identical as well.

Concerning the intentional hoaxes perpetuated by the church...

I posted in another thread not 10 minutes ago about the fact that it's common knowledge among satanists that the church has been infiltrated.

You've probably seen posts I've written on this before, there are quite a few in fact.


Why are your standards different for creationism than they are for everything else that you think is a lie?


Imagine for just a second that God shows up at your house one day out of the blue and makes it VERY clear that he is alive and well...

This is exactly what happened to me back in 1979.

And that was just one experience of many.

I can 100% guarantee that if this ever happens to you, it will radically affect everything you believe about spiritual matters.

One's beliefs cannot remain the same once they experience some thing this profound.

I was an atheist when this happened BTW.

Now you mentioned that you were genuinely curious which I find pretty fascinating.

How often do you we someone on ATS say "hey buddy, why the hell do you believe that stuff?"

Not very often which is something that has always bothered me.

Bottom line is that you have earned my respect by saying what you really think...

If this post seems a little short on explanations it's simply because I have to run out the door in a minute.



Im not calling you a liar. I believe you truely belive that he turned up etc...but i dont belive that that is what really heppened.

Why would god show up at your house and not interevene to save that poor 3 year old who drowned? Doesnt make sense.



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 10:30 AM
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a reply to: edmc^2

You still on this thread? After being outed as someone who doesn't read his own links?

Your contribution has been shown to be valueless. Yet you persist. Extraordinary.



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: TheChrome


Every statement I have ever seen from an atheist, is lacking knowledge of the bible.

Try me, darling. Try me.



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 10:51 AM
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originally posted by: TheChrome

originally posted by: Murgatroid
a reply to: Barcs

Actually I HAVE posted dozens of opinions of ex-religious people, probably more closer to several hundred.

One example from last year:


originally posted by: Murgatroid
a reply to: BlackArrow
This has nothing to do with religion...

Religion is nothing but more lies and hidden agendas like I mentioned above.

The demonic and religion both have a common source.

This is why they are BOTH are surrounded by nothing but lies and deception.

By studying those who have escaped the belly of the beast, this becomes very apparent: Ex-nun Charlotte Keckler, former Catholic priests Richard Bennett, Malachi Martin, and Jeremiah J. Crowley, Leo H. Lehmann, Kamal Saleem , Linda Laine, Naeem Fazal, etc.


In fact I believe I even used the same "rat poison for the soul" analogy with them.

I also hold religion to the same standard as evolution simply because I am 100% convinced they come from the same source.

The agenda for both is identical as well.

Concerning the intentional hoaxes perpetuated by the church...

I posted in another thread not 10 minutes ago about the fact that it's common knowledge among satanists that the church has been infiltrated.

You've probably seen posts I've written on this before, there are quite a few in fact.


Why are your standards different for creationism than they are for everything else that you think is a lie?


Imagine for just a second that God shows up at your house one day out of the blue and makes it VERY clear that he is alive and well...

This is exactly what happened to me back in 1979.

And that was just one experience of many.

I can 100% guarantee that if this ever happens to you, it will radically affect everything you believe about spiritual matters.

One's beliefs cannot remain the same once they experience some thing this profound.

I was an atheist when this happened BTW.

Now you mentioned that you were genuinely curious which I find pretty fascinating.

How often do you we someone on ATS say "hey buddy, why the hell do you believe that stuff?"

Not very often which is something that has always bothered me.

Bottom line is that you have earned my respect by saying what you really think...

If this post seems a little short on explanations it's simply because I have to run out the door in a minute.


I agree with your analysis, because of the reason science and religion are generally just as clueless as the ultimate facts. Every statement I have ever seen from an atheist, is lacking knowledge of the bible. Unless you want to just post a random wikipedia link. In all fairness, I disagree with the majority of religion as well. Wow! If I disagree with religion and science, I expect to end up in jail soon!


I suggest you watch the Atheist Experience on Youtube. A weekly show by the Austin Atheist Group. They talk and take calls and i can guarantee you they know about the bible than you do and probably most people. Matt Dilahunty was on his way to becoming a priest when he become an atheist.

And by the way, knowledge of the bible is moot. I dont need to know the bible to know that the concepts of al religions are fatally flawed. I also dont need the bible to realise what a despicable character god is. Even if he did exist, there is no way i would worship anyone as inept and/or uncaring as him. There are so many absolutely vile stories in the bible...how anyone can worhip that sick book is beyond me.
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posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 11:00 AM
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a reply to: 3danimator2014

because most of the people who worship yehovah or allah have been taught to resent the human condition. thats what sin is for, the idea that humans are fatally, disgustingly flawed. its a shame tactic and its basic psychopathy. because thats how you become their savior, by giving them something to save them from. pretty twisted.

the garden of eden was basically a mythological 9/11.



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 11:23 AM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: 3danimator2014

because most of the people who worship yehovah or allah have been taught to resent the human condition. thats what sin is for, the idea that humans are fatally, disgustingly flawed. its a shame tactic and its basic psychopathy. because thats how you become their savior, by giving them something to save them from. pretty twisted.

the garden of eden was basically a mythological 9/11.


Yes, sick isnt it?

You are born without your consent. Born and tainted from day 1 by someone elses mistake. You have no say in the matter. You will worship your creator without fail, he will never let you forget he is the one who gave you life and if you dont do every single thing he said you have to do, you will spend eternity in despair and flame and pain and misery....but he loves you.

Sick



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: Astyanax
Don't believe a word of it.

Patience darling.

You will, all in good time...


There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. ~ Luke 12:2



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014
Im not calling you a liar. I believe you truely belive that he turned up etc...but i dont belive that that is what really heppened. Why would god show up at your house and not interevene to save that poor 3 year old who drowned? Doesnt make sense.

This is a question I have asked myself MANY times over the years.

I don't know the answer but I have a few clues to suggest why it happened to me...

When this happened I was an atheist but for the previous 2 years I was a sailor on a Navy ship.

Someone on that ship (USS Valdez) had been leaving small chick tracts in the crews lounge.

Every day as I would pass through this area I would pick some of them up and read them.

Also during this time another sailor left a bible behind in the 'Combat Information Center' and I started reading it.

Somewhere in scripture it mentions Gods word will not return void.

It also talks about asking, seeking, and knocking.

There must have been some kind of spiritual principal going on that caused it to happen.

And about that poor 3 year old who drowned...


In heaven, children are there, all the ones who died young, in childbirth, or were aborted.
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posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: Murgatroid
In heaven, children are there, all the ones who died young, in childbirth, or were aborted.


He still died in horrific circumstances.....but hey this god of yours has time to make personal house visits for his special snowflake.....

This is just narcissism and a lack of empathy on your part.
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posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 01:58 PM
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20 pages in. Are we going to see any evidence from the creationist crowd or...?



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 05:18 PM
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originally posted by: GetHyped
20 pages in. Are we going to see any evidence from the creationist crowd or...?


You know the answer to that.



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 06:15 PM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm
what exactly was this experience?

I had a supernatural experience back in the late 70's that left a profound impact on my life.

See posts here and here...



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 11:28 PM
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originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: edmc^2

You still on this thread? After being outed as someone who doesn't read his own links?

Your contribution has been shown to be valueless. Yet you persist. Extraordinary.


Valueless indeed! to you since you can't see the logic in it.

Outed out? Doesn't read my own links? That's funny.

Really? you mean spontaneous generation is not the same as abiogenesis?

since both hypotheses doesn't have "real" foundation, what makes them different?



BTW - I just started and having too much fun already.
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posted on Sep, 5 2015 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: TzarChasm
what exactly was this experience?

I had a supernatural experience back in the late 70's that left a profound impact on my life.

See posts here and here...


"I knew he was in the room, but only in the form of supernatural knowledge"

Do you know what the problem with your "encounter" is? It's not falsifiable. For evidence to be useful, it has to be able to be tested as many times as necessary. Can we test your encounter? Repeat it, study it, measure it? It's difficult to eliminate human error by just accepting your experience at face value. Lots of filters between point A and point B.



posted on Sep, 5 2015 @ 01:11 PM
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As far as the evidence being useful, I better not even go there...


I was very reluctant to even answer your question but dang, if your answer didn't impress the hell out of me.

Like the poster below says, ATS at times seems to have become a crab barrel where the goal is to see who can be the first one to rush in and slam the person, ridicule the messenger and not even truly consider their ideas...


originally posted by: nullafides
If someone tells me the moon is made out of cheese, I am not in the slightest bit interested in proving them wrong. I for one am interested in coming to a better understanding of the basis of their belief and why they believe that in the first place.


That's another topic altogether but I had to throw that out because so many here avoid responding simply because of all the insults, bickering, and rude and childish replies.

Now obviously there is a vast divide between what you and I believe about the agenda behind Science.

You believe Science is about finding facts, I believe Science is about hiding them and covering them up.

My sig quote makes that plain as well...

I am 100% convinced of this and you are probably 100% convinced I'm totally wacked out of my gourd.

To me the real issue is not test-ability or even repeat-ability because Science has zero interest in testing anything that disagrees with their agenda even if they could test it.


Can we test your encounter? Repeat it, study it, measure it?


I am convinced the answer is yes, but if science ever started to really study miracles, the results would all be covered up before they ever even reached the public.

One very interesting side note about this experience:

I have come across several others who have had very similar encounters.

The one cited below was so similar to mine that when I read it I was like OMFG...


Now comes the crazy part. You may find this hard to believe, but here's what happened. I was just sitting there when all of a sudden a voice inside my head that was not my own asked this question right out of nowhere:

"How would you like to see God?"

Without giving it even a second thought, immediately I answered, "Of course! Who wouldn't?!" Especially doubters like me. Then I heard this still, silent voice say:

"Okay, if you want to see God, go into the living room. He's in there."

"Look at the coffee table. What do you see on it?"

Walk over, pick up that Bible off the coffee table, and hold it in your hands."

I heard this voice inside my head one last time, and it said:

"What you are holding is Jesus Christ in print."

THE INCREDIBLE BIBLE MIRACLE!



posted on Sep, 5 2015 @ 02:25 PM
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Like the poster below says, ATS at times seems to have become a crab barrel where the goal is to see who can be the first one to rush in and slam the person, ridicule the messenger and not even truly consider their ideas...



originally posted by: nullafides

If someone tells me the moon is made out of cheese, I am not in the slightest bit interested in proving them wrong. I for one am interested in coming to a better understanding of the basis of their belief and why they believe that in the first place.


Yeah im sure you'd like your outrageous and anecdotal claims to be taken as seriously as falsifiable scientific claims but thankfully that will never happen, otherwise we'd never get anything done.

Everyone should be prepared to be ridiculed if they say something stupid.



posted on Sep, 5 2015 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: Prezbo369
Yeah im sure you'd like your outrageous and anecdotal claims to be taken as seriously as falsifiable scientific claims but thankfully that will never happen.

Never say never...

I'm prepared, how about you?


For all that is secret will eventually be brought into the open, and everything that is concealed will be brought to light and made known to all. ~ Luke 8:17

originally posted by: zorgon
"The louder the opposition protests, the more I know I am on the right track"



posted on Sep, 5 2015 @ 04:26 PM
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originally posted by: edmc^2
Really? you mean spontaneous generation is not the same as abiogenesis?


Exactly. Read the link I posted for you. Oh wait we all know how this game goes with you. You make a false claim, it gets debunked by scientific sources, you pretend it never happened and repeat the original point ad infinitum. You have to have something new to bring to the table this time, right?



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