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Trump is KILLING the Republican chances for Presidency

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posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:04 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
Anyone running on any ticket from any party will alienate @45% of the voters.



Correct...and the way in which Trump is securing his "45%"...more like 30%...is by demonizing the 10% in the middle plus the 45% that leans left.

He is shaking down the GOP for a pay-off to drop out.

And BTW - the 45% vs. 45% doesn't hold anymore...surveys by landline etc. The only people answering political survey calls are the elderly with nothing to do and those with land lines...That is the only way the GOP get half the country in polls.

In the past 20+ years and 6 Presidential elections the GOP has only won the popular vote for President once...and that was Pres. GWB running on "Compassionate Conservatism"...Republican LITE...he never would have survived a GOP primary today and the GOP has moved very far in precisely the opposite direction from what gave their last GOP candidate a win.
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posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: Rocker2013


They need to abandon any mention of religion, give up the homophobia, abandon the sexist attitudes of the 1950's, stop with all the backward preaching about immigration, and start focusing on things the majority of Americans ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT.


Truth! ^


But....

The people in their 50's, 60's and 70's might fall for it, because they're easier to sway with simplistic pining for imagined "good old days", but the young and powerful voting public are laughing at him.


Also Truth ^


But not all of them.
edit on 8/27/2015 by BuzzyWigs because: omit rambling stream of thought stuff



posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:10 PM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: grandmakdw

None of that is proof that Trump polls well among black people. You are making the grave mistake of thinking that black people can't separate politics from a television show. Just because black people watch a lot of television and the Apprentice doesn't mean they support Trump as a politician. That is absurd reasoning.

By the way, if there is ANY GOP candidate that will get the uninformed black vote, it would be Ben Carson, because he's black. We already know that is how the uninformed black vote works since that is how it happened in the last two elections.


Aren't you being racist by assuming that black
people aren't smart enough to vote for anyone
who isn't black?
Unless they are old and white and have
antique ideas because they are Democrats.

Why wouldn't they find appealing someone
who has shown that he holds the black
community in high regard and shown the
world that back rappers, athletes are
smart, decisive and excellent decision makers?



The key word there was "uninformed". Which is the demographic that you are trying to talk about with your claims about black people voting for Trump based on watching the Apprentice.



posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:12 PM
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Hilary is likely to be removed from the race due to her illegal email actions. That the FBI is even moving forward with any kind of investigation means that she has at least one enemy inside the establishment, so the probability of the matter being swept under the rug gets smaller and smaller. Bernie coming out as a nigh communist level socialist will push away centrists as well as some of the soft left. The black vote is no longer guaranteed for Democrats. Their race baiting agenda has gone too far now and the disenfranchisement they've nurtured now threatens to bite them in the ass as blacks are unlikely to care about any candidate that isn't black. Biden seems to be next up on the chopping block, but a contest between him and Trump is essentially a choice between a left or right flavor of the same white alpha male template. His "popularity" has been due to an image as a slightly irreverent side-kick, something that doesn't translate well to a starring role.

On the Republican side, there really isn't much to say. The polls say everything. None of the established party candidates are actually conservatives, they are all cuckservative leftists beholden to special interests. Trump is far closer to the policies that everyone other than college liberals wants. If he can use his business acumen to present a better policy for job creation than whatever the Democrat presents for continuing a broken wellfare system, educated blacks and those still desiring to work rather than wallow in taxpayer money will be drawn toward Trump. Even for the latino VOTE, he is a great choice. The illegal immigrant support lobby is a loud majority of illegals unable to vote and white leftists already committed to communism. One of the common threads found in legal resident latino circles is a resentment felt for those that cheat the system through which they struggled to immigrate legally. Beyond this, Trump is going to enjoy a massive outpouring of support from the true right that hasn't had any candidate to back in a long time. The minority vote is going to be the least important in this election because black voter turnout is going to be a fraction of what it was when Obama was an option (unless a surprise black candidate comes out from the Dems or Trump takes Carson as his VP pick). This election will be decided by a struggle between white communists and white nationalists. Whichever side can provide an argument for a better future to the white centrists will win.

America will be made great again, in either case it will be a long struggle back to sanity. The only difference will be whether we stop from hitting rock bottom by choosing Trump or if the communists get to drag the country off a cliff first.



posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: Maverick1

I can't believe you are calling me a racist by taking what I said out of context while at the same time negatively stereotyping left leaning white people so badly... Hypocrite.



posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
Anyone running on any ticket from any party will alienate @45% of the voters.

It's the divisive nature of politics anymore.

You won't find a candidate that appeals to 75% of the voters.

It just isn't possible any longer.

So when headlines scream that any politician or candidate is alienating some voters, it's actually business as usual.


THIS.

People are too set in their ways. One only needs to read through the forums on this site, to see an example of that. You could lay down the most logical argument in the world to some people, and they will STILL go by what they choose to believe.

It's like admitting you were wrong about something is completely unheard of anymore in mainstream society. Pride, and stubbornness are the norm now.



posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: IAMTAT
IDK...I actually like the fact the 'old school' pedigreed politicians like Clinton and Bush are getting their butts handed to them by outsiders. If Trump is the vanguard of bringing that about...all the better.


Yep!

A Fiorina/Trump combo would beat any ticket any day of the week,

because they are not from the old school politics that have brought the US to the brink of collapse.




I like Fiorina a lot. I could also see Dr. Carson on the ticket with Trump.
Cruz and Trump are, together, currently planning a huge rally against the Iran Deal...they will be announcing the time and place soon. Does this mean they are thinking about joining in a ticket? IDK.

Trump says he likes Cruz and Carson...mostly because they aren't attacking him.



posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:20 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

I don't think we will ever see a candidate appeal to 75% of the voters.

Not because of the candidate, but because government has been so successful in dividing us.



posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:20 PM
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This must be a very depressing thread for our Right Wing conservative members.

The problem with just listening to AM Rush bots and Fox, is that it's a distorted view of reality. Scripted to appeal to a narrow demographic, boost ratings and sell stuff to scared old people. The world has changed around them but they still hopefully cling to the Amos and Andy 50s. Sad, so sad....

I work with some young savy republicans with fresh ideas but they are constantly shot down by the old guard that aren't even hip to a smart phone or tablet. Memos on sticky notes. sheesh....


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posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

I know! Right? It is sad.
But not ALL OF THEM suffer from that. I have 4 aunts and uncles. They are Foxers, yes, and very opinionated. But their sister, my mom...is not like that at all.



posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Well that may be the case for any Conservatives that aren't Trump supporters. The Trump supporters seem to just be completely ignoring all the evidence stacked against them so they can just parrot the same baseless rhetoric that most Trump supporters say. I haven't seen a single Trump supporter address a single point or statistic I mentioned in the OP yet.
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posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

BTW, Krazyshot,...you are seriously doing a terrific job responding to everyone on your thread. Thank you.
We don't agree...much...even on the thrust of your thread,...but you deserve some applause for being so diligent and attentive here.



posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:28 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

Thanks. I'm trying to turn over a new leaf here. Recently I've been a bit too abrasive against opposing viewpoints, so I'm trying to create a two way dialog in my posts instead of me just yelling at people with big words. Though I'm also juggling work as well, so I've been in and out of the thread over the course of the day as well. If I miss a post, it's probably because of that and not because I'm ignoring it.
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posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:29 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

Not true.

I'm in the middle and I support him.

He's the only non establishment candidate in the bunch, and the first one in years maybe even ever, to spark so much public interest.

I like his brashness. I like that he doesn't pander to anyone. I like that he isn't afraid to alienate a lobbyist, because he doesn't need them.

He's a breath of fresh air in what has otherwise become the frustratingly divisive politics of today.

He at least speaks his mind, without thinking "Wait, i can't say that because so and so will stop giving me money!" He has no filter.

He's leading for those reasons. It's simple really, people are tired of politics as usual.



posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:30 PM
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If Trump continues these amazing poll numbers that no candidate ever has had before this early in an election. He is easily the Republcian leader.They will get behind Him then.I'll bet Jeb even gets behind Trump.We shall see.
Trump can win with the mess Obama has left the country agaisnt anyone on the democratic side.



posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: Jobeycool
If Trump continues these amazing poll numbers that no candidate ever has had before this early in an election.


Do you have a source for this claim? Also, care to address any of the points I brought up in the OP?



posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
This must be a very depressing thread for our Right Wing conservative members.

The problem with just listening to AM Rush bots and Fox, is that it's a distorted view of reality. Scripted to appeal to a narrow demographic, boost ratings and sell stuff to scared old people. The world has changed around them but they still hopefully cling to the Amos and Andy 50s. Sad, so sad....

I work with some young savy republicans with fresh ideas but they are constantly shot down by the old guard that aren't even hip to a smart phone or tablet. Memos on sticky notes. sheesh....



My guess is if it depresses someone who is conservative they haven't been paying attention very long, if it excites you same thing. The third group affected would be true believers looking for validation of what they believe to be true.

People paying attention for a while or those who just really don't care if one or both parties died see it as another one of those articles that comes out every so often proclaiming the death of one of the parties. I'll believe it when I see it. But in this day and age it generates clicks and makes for a nice debate topic. Keeps people focused on other things.



posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: Maverick1

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: grandmakdw

None of that is proof that Trump polls well among black people. You are making the grave mistake of thinking that black people can't separate politics from a television show. Just because black people watch a lot of television and the Apprentice doesn't mean they support Trump as a politician. That is absurd reasoning.

By the way, if there is ANY GOP candidate that will get the uninformed black vote, it would be Ben Carson, because he's black. We already know that is how the uninformed black vote works since that is how it happened in the last two elections.


"We already know that.."

Well, I wouldn't bet on it.


The leftists fear nothing on this planet more than they fear a strongly united conservative black voice. Because dude, that voice would then shout them down hard. Where exactly would those lofty dreams of a united world dominated by drone like conformists really be without black and various racial minorities as pet causes?

Seriously, what would be left(no pun intended)?

A bunch of Volvo driving, green tea drinking white boy metrosexuals who might damned well have to re-think their divine mission of salvation to we poor downtrodden who can not actually decide a damned thing without their overreach and guidance?

Yeah, that's about it.

And no, I can't link that, but then, I don't give a damn. Somethings are still self evident, and the black race was targeted 50 years ago to belong lock stock and barrel to the leftist push. And look where it has gotten us.....a race forbidden by the dictates of a sick society to have or express anything that might be considered conservative, traditional or established.

That leftist dogma and doctrine though, they are the last remaining chains of slavery, and the ones we most need to snap.

"it would be Ben Carson, because he's black"

Or, plainly:

"All them negroes gonna vote for Ben, cause, ya know, he's one of them, Biff!"

That was the exact implication. Give me a break with that pompous drivel.



Succinct and frighteningly accurate.

When the blacks realize they can leave the
Democratic plantation they have been
figuratively chained to with policies that
have led to massive unemployment,

confinement to public housing through welfare programs
designed to make them fear leaving the
guaranteed food and shelter provided

by the Democrats in exchange for staying on
the Democratic plantation
and voting Democratic to keep them in
in their place and voting "correctly:;
(contemporary slavery for votes)

well you are so spot on as to who will be left
spoiled white rich people who will condescend to
everyone and live on tofu and bottled water

and think they know what is best for everyone
else (although they can have polluting jets and
multiple mansions, while decrying the rich
and the polluters)

Woe to the Democrats when the blacks
realize that they have been lulled into
living on a virtual plantation in exchange
for votes.

Unfortunately, for Democrats
Trump has a proven track
record of showing he thinks blacks
are smart, blacks are confident,
blacks are good leaders and he thinks
they can do as well as anyone in our
society without being chained to
the handouts for votes in order to
survive.

Now I'll say something none of you will like,
conspiracy stuff ..... ready........
hold onto your steaming heads.......
maybe the "all police are all out to kill blacks"
is a tactic being used to scare the black
people back onto the Democratic
plantation because they were starting to
see through the chains that have kept them
on welfare and in poverty in exchange for votes.




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posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:36 PM
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a reply to: Reallyfolks

This thread isn't about the Republican party dying. It's about Trump making the Republican chances to achieve the Presidency obsolete. I by no means believe that Trump would actually tear the whole party apart with his antics. I even think that if they lose the Presidency in 2016, they can always learn from their mistakes for one, rebuild, and make another attempt in 2020.



posted on Aug, 27 2015 @ 02:37 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

I'm curious what you think the Republican party offers to the black demographic that would make them want to change sides. Especially to a party that has traditionally been viewed by minorities as the party of racists. Black people aren't just going to change parties just because, they'll need a reason.
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