Trump is KILLING the Republican chances for Presidency

a reply to: grandmakdw

None of that is proof that Trump polls well among black people. You are making the grave mistake of thinking that black people can't separate politics from a television show. Just because black people watch a lot of television and the Apprentice doesn't mean they support Trump as a politician. That is absurd reasoning.

By the way, if there is ANY GOP candidate that will get the uninformed black vote, it would be Ben Carson, because he's black. We already know that is how the uninformed black vote works since that is how it happened in the last two elections.

originally posted by: Maverick1

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Maverick1
Well, yeah, he could kill it.

On the other hand, he just might win the damned thing.

He might? How do you figure that? Your hopes and desires?

More likely the plain fact that he will have no real competition.

Can ANY Repub beat him? I doubt it. And so do the latest polls.

Biden or Clinton? Gimme a break. Many slam those they assume might vote for Trump, but what kind of people would really and truly vote for the hair-sniffing gaffe machine or the Arkansas mafia-queen herself?

And Sanders? Yeah, no. He can't even hang with Hillary.He's the flavor of the week and will be the answer to a trivia question within five years ... "Which briefly internet -popular presidential hopeful identified as a socialist in the 2016 campaign?"

Meanwhile, Trump is appealing to more and more Americans, and yes, that will include the jobless and suffering black vote, being The demographic that most often competes with illegals for jobs.

Despite the fevered wishes and lame proclamations of the establishment, Trump is very very electable, in my opinion.

Trump may very well be able to capture the GOP nomination but, I'd say he has a farts chance in a hurricane of capturing the White House.

Trump is used to having dictatorial authority over decisions affecting his businesses and he doesn't know the first thing about how to garner the support of legislators required in order to get anything accomplished in government and the only ones who don't realize this fact are the willfully ignorant.

Especially after witnessing, over the last 6 1/2 yrs, just how dysfunctional our government can be when one party decides to employ obstructionism as policy.

Trump's business successes can be attributed to two primary business tactics.

The first one being his admitted use of bribery, (political donations) to get favors from legislators in all branches of government.

The second one being the use of threats of unlimited law suits to silence anyone who opposes him.

While I'll agree that there are many who, blinded by their hatred, don't see this reality, IMO it's both naive and somewhat insulting to the minority communities to infer that a majority of their demographic will somehow buy into his trash talk.

If I were you, I'd keep my eye on Bernie Sanders who actually describes himself as a "Democratic Socialist," which is actually a pretty good description of how our society is supposed to work.

He's not a "Dictatorial Socalist," which is the portrayal that many on the right are attempting to label him with.

I think this election is going to turn out to be the big inevitable battle that's been brewing between the Tea Party movement and the Occupy Wallstreet movement, with the TP backing Trump and OW backing Bernie.

I'm betting OW wins with Bernie.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: whyamIhere
IMO...The GOP must change its current form. Into what ? Don't know.

They could start by trying to appeal to more people than just white Americans.

Actually, they appeal to more than just white americans.

Why can the left not acknowledge a conservative element exists amongst blacks and/or hispanics? And why does it so worry the left?

a reply to: Reallyfolks

The whole "two party system is an illusion" rhetoric has been smashed to pieces by this new Republican party. That may have seemed to hold true 8 years ago, before Obama, but after he was elected things started to change. The two parties are DEFINITELY not the same beast anymore.

If that rhetoric were actually true, the Republican party wouldn't be doubling down on rhetoric that is slowly making them irrelevant nationally. They'd diversify to maintain national relevance while keeping just enough differences between the other party to maintain the illusion. Come on man, that's simple logic.

originally posted by: Maverick1

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: whyamIhere
IMO...The GOP must change its current form. Into what ? Don't know.

They could start by trying to appeal to more people than just white Americans.

Actually, they appeal to more than just white americans.

Why can the left not acknowledge a conservative element exists amongst blacks and/or hispanics? And why does it so worry the left?

Just because a small minority of blacks and Hispanics may vote Republican doesn't mean they appeal to that party. Trump ESPECIALLY doesn't appeal to Hispanics, and his rhetoric is making the other candidates less appealing to Hispanics. There was a recent thread on it.

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Maverick1

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Maverick1
Well, yeah, he could kill it.

On the other hand, he just might win the damned thing.

He might? How do you figure that? Your hopes and desires?

More likely the plain fact that he will have no real competition.

Can ANY Repub beat him? I doubt it. And so do the latest polls.

Biden or Clinton? Gimme a break. Many slam those they assume might vote for Trump, but what kind of people would really and truly vote for the hair-sniffing gaffe machine or the Arkansas mafia-queen herself?

And Sanders? Yeah, no. He can't even hang with Hillary.He's the flavor of the week and will be the answer to a trivia question within five years ... "Which briefly internet -popular presidential hopeful identified as a socialist in the 2016 campaign?"

Meanwhile, Trump is appealing to more and more Americans, and yes, that will include the jobless and suffering black vote, being The demographic that most often competes with illegals for jobs.

Despite the fevered wishes and lame proclamations of the establishment, Trump is very very electable, in my opinion.

Trump may very well be able to capture the GOP nomination but, I'd say he has a farts chance in a hurricane of capturing the White House.

Trump is used to having dictatorial authority over decisions affecting his businesses and he doesn't know the first thing about how to garner the support of legislators required in order to get anything accomplished in government and the only ones who don't realize this fact are the willfully ignorant.

Especially after witnessing, over the last 6 1/2 yrs, just how dysfunctional our government can be when one party decides to employ obstructionism as policy.

Trump's business successes can be attributed to two primary business tactics.

The first one being his admitted use of bribery, (political donations) to get favors from legislators in all branches of government.

The second one being the use of threats of unlimited law suits to silence anyone who opposes him.

While I'll agree that there are many who, blinded by their hatred, don't see this reality, IMO it's both naive and somewhat insulting to the minority communities to infer that a majority of their demographic will somehow buy into his trash talk.

If I were you, I'd keep my eye on Bernie Sanders who actually describes himself as a "Democratic Socialist," which is actually a pretty good description of how our society is supposed to work.

He's not a "Dictatorial Socalist," which is the portrayal that many on the right are attempting to label him with.

I think this election is going to turn out to be the big inevitable battle that's been brewing between the Tea Party movement and the Occupy Wallstreet movement, with the TP backing Trump and OW backing Bernie.

I'm betting OW wins with Bernie.

I can see the image now. A picture of trump with a caption of him telling his apprentice lady " you'd look better on your knees" an image of an ows protestor taking a dump on a cop car. Your choice.....

a reply to: Krazysh0t

George Will throwing in the towel already is remarkable.

Trump and Hillary are demonstrating that the traditional establishment has no credibility. On the Republican side the more "rational" candidates are only slightly more rational at best so is Hillary.

However if this wakes people up and it gives Bernie Sanders or Jill Stein a chance to appear more credible by comparison assuming people pay attention and possibly even get elected then good for him, although there should be better ways to go about it if we had a rational media.

Regardless we need people to wake up learn and participate at the grassroots level the most effective way possible, or if this is the best we can get we should take advantage of a bad situation.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

My bad they are different, except when something really big comes up lilt fast track authority, tpp, patriot act, freedom bill, ndaa, etc. But those social issues buddy night and day.

Edit: let's not forget wealth consolidation is at an all time high the last seven years, it was at an all high for 8 years before that,and so on. So really in the end these two different parties produce the same result. Financiers of the politicians get more money from doing it

a reply to: Reallyfolks

Actually, you can find people from both parties with night and day attitudes towards all of those things if you'd actually bother to look.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Doesn't really matter as they aren't making the actual decisions pertaining to them.

a reply to: leemachino

Bernie Sanders. Do not discount him.

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Maverick1

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Maverick1
Well, yeah, he could kill it.

On the other hand, he just might win the damned thing.

He might? How do you figure that? Your hopes and desires?

More likely the plain fact that he will have no real competition.

Can ANY Repub beat him? I doubt it. And so do the latest polls.

Biden or Clinton? Gimme a break. Many slam those they assume might vote for Trump, but what kind of people would really and truly vote for the hair-sniffing gaffe machine or the Arkansas mafia-queen herself?

And Sanders? Yeah, no. He can't even hang with Hillary.He's the flavor of the week and will be the answer to a trivia question within five years ... "Which briefly internet -popular presidential hopeful identified as a socialist in the 2016 campaign?"

Meanwhile, Trump is appealing to more and more Americans, and yes, that will include the jobless and suffering black vote, being The demographic that most often competes with illegals for jobs.

Despite the fevered wishes and lame proclamations of the establishment, Trump is very very electable, in my opinion.

Trump may very well be able to capture the GOP nomination but, I'd say he has a farts chance in a hurricane of capturing the White House.

Trump is used to having dictatorial authority over decisions affecting his businesses and he doesn't know the first thing about how to garner the support of legislators required in order to get anything accomplished in government and the only ones who don't realize this fact are the willfully ignorant.

Especially after witnessing, over the last 6 1/2 yrs, just how dysfunctional our government can be when one party decides to employ obstructionism as policy.

Trump's business successes can be attributed to two primary business tactics.

The first one being his admitted use of bribery, (political donations) to get favors from legislators in all branches of government.

The second one being the use of threats of unlimited law suits to silence anyone who opposes him.

While I'll agree that there are many who, blinded by their hatred, don't see this reality, IMO it's both naive and somewhat insulting to the minority communities to infer that a majority of their demographic will somehow buy into his trash talk.

If I were you, I'd keep my eye on Bernie Sanders who actually describes himself as a "Democratic Socialist," which is actually a pretty good description of how our society is supposed to work.

He's not a "Dictatorial Socalist," which is the portrayal that many on the right are attempting to label him with.

I think this election is going to turn out to be the big inevitable battle that's been brewing between the Tea Party movement and the Occupy Wallstreet movement, with the TP backing Trump and OW backing Bernie.

I'm betting OW wins with Bernie.

I can see the image now. A picture of trump with a caption of him telling his apprentice lady " you'd look better on your knees" an image of an ows protestor taking a dump on a cop car. Your choice.....

Problem is, no one on the left is trying to elect the protester who crapped on the cop car.

Kind of a false comparison, wouldn't you say?

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Maverick1

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Maverick1
Well, yeah, he could kill it.

On the other hand, he just might win the damned thing.

He might? How do you figure that? Your hopes and desires?

More likely the plain fact that he will have no real competition.

Can ANY Repub beat him? I doubt it. And so do the latest polls.

Biden or Clinton? Gimme a break. Many slam those they assume might vote for Trump, but what kind of people would really and truly vote for the hair-sniffing gaffe machine or the Arkansas mafia-queen herself?

And Sanders? Yeah, no. He can't even hang with Hillary.He's the flavor of the week and will be the answer to a trivia question within five years ... "Which briefly internet -popular presidential hopeful identified as a socialist in the 2016 campaign?"

Meanwhile, Trump is appealing to more and more Americans, and yes, that will include the jobless and suffering black vote, being The demographic that most often competes with illegals for jobs.

Despite the fevered wishes and lame proclamations of the establishment, Trump is very very electable, in my opinion.

Trump may very well be able to capture the GOP nomination but, I'd say he has a farts chance in a hurricane of capturing the White House.

Trump is used to having dictatorial authority over decisions affecting his businesses and he doesn't know the first thing about how to garner the support of legislators required in order to get anything accomplished in government and the only ones who don't realize this fact are the willfully ignorant.

Especially after witnessing, over the last 6 1/2 yrs, just how dysfunctional our government can be when one party decides to employ obstructionism as policy.

Trump's business successes can be attributed to two primary business tactics.

The first one being his admitted use of bribery, (political donations) to get favors from legislators in all branches of government.

The second one being the use of threats of unlimited law suits to silence anyone who opposes him.

While I'll agree that there are many who, blinded by their hatred, don't see this reality, IMO it's both naive and somewhat insulting to the minority communities to infer that a majority of their demographic will somehow buy into his trash talk.

If I were you, I'd keep my eye on Bernie Sanders who actually describes himself as a "Democratic Socialist," which is actually a pretty good description of how our society is supposed to work.

He's not a "Dictatorial Socalist," which is the portrayal that many on the right are attempting to label him with.

I think this election is going to turn out to be the big inevitable battle that's been brewing between the Tea Party movement and the Occupy Wallstreet movement, with the TP backing Trump and OW backing Bernie.

I'm betting OW wins with Bernie.

I can see the image now. A picture of trump with a caption of him telling his apprentice lady " you'd look better on your knees" an image of an ows protestor taking a dump on a cop car. Your choice.....

Problem is, no one on the left is trying to elect the protester who crapped on the cop car.

Kind of a false comparison, wouldn't you say?

Not when you say Bernie backed by ows and trump backed by tp. You tend to associate with who has similar views, false compirson? Not at all.

Trump is the only breath of fresh air we have had in years.

He is perfectly capable of doing the job and unlike all the others, nobody is going to buy him.

He is what America needs now and I am 100% behind him.

btw, I am American in Moldova so I have the right to stick my nose in American politics unlike a lot of the posters on here.

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: grandmakdw

Politicians are a reflection of the people that vote them in.

It's an indictment on the American voting public.

I've had my fill with politicians, but it's the people who should be just as guilty because they are the dumbed-down masses that vote them in!

As usual,
brilliant insight.

However, in due consideration for
the purpose of ATS,
maybe elections are rigged in
favor of the professional politicians
who owe big money so many
"favors".

I have for years and years sent messages to the White House
(before Bush and Clinton)
asking for international observers
and a ban on all polling places that do not
have paper ballots to back up the electronic data.
(ie simple scantron like ballots that can be
independently confirmed)

originally posted by: SubSea
Trump is the only breath of fresh air we have had in years.

He is perfectly capable of doing the job and unlike all the others, nobody is going to buy him.

He is what America needs now and I am 100% behind him.

btw, I am American in Moldova so I have the right to stick my nose in American politics unlike a lot of the posters on here.

I disagree with he is the only breath of fresh air. I think he and Sanders are both gaining because they march to a different beat. I will stick by my statement though, in the end president Bush, president Clinton, pick your poison.

Everyone was shocked when California elected a Movie Star (Arnold) to run the country's most populated state.

It's not beyond the realm of belief that America would elect a flamboyant billionaire, is it?

originally posted by: [post=19745379]Krazysh0t[/post


a reply to: Reallyfolks

The whole "two party system is an illusion" rhetoric has been smashed to pieces by this new Republican party. That may have seemed to hold true 8 years ago, before Obama, but after he was elected things started to change. The two parties are DEFINITELY not the same beast anymore.

If that rhetoric were actually true, the Republican party wouldn't be doubling down on rhetoric that is slowly making them irrelevant nationally. They'd diversify to maintain national relevance while keeping just enough differences between the other party to maintain the illusion. Come on man, that's simple logic.

Good point and the Democratic Party
would not be doubling down on
an old rich white lady
who claimed to be poor while owning 5 mansions;
who got where she is by sleeping with the President;
who put up with having her soul destroyed by being cheated on
just to get power;
who has been proven over and over to have questionable
morals and make questionable decisions ;
( i.e. Whitewater; where her company cheated the elderly:
Bengazi; where her decisions or lack of them lost lives,
and her open lying about he cause being a video;
Keeping a government server with top secret information
in a bathroom where no one could see it, even the government)

All the while maintaining the illusion that the Democratic
ideas aren't becoming old and stale and have proven
over the last 7 years to be poisonous to the economy
and to the country which is on the verge of total
economic collapse (read the news for proof, it is
all there). And on the verge of total social collapse
as seen in the looting, rioting, and extreme racial
divisions not seen since the days of slavery.

Personally, I think that Trump is there just to up the crazy quotient.
There's nothing in what he says that's realistically viable, and it's not as if he's actually said how he do things. "I'm a smart guy......I'll get good people........I'll use clever management....." etc. Pure fluff.

Like I said above, he's upping the crazy. So long as he's getting all the limelight, and being abrasive the rest of the clown car will start to increase their hate rhetoric. Then the candidate that the billionaires who pull the strings of the GOP will push their chosen one - who will have been the apparent 'voice of reason' throughout the circus act that is Trump and the other crazies.
That is, if Trump manages to not insult them in the meantime.
He'll be the press-darling for a while with the MSM, until he manages to alienate them too.

He'll bow out before it gets too serious.

It just seems so odd to me that so many so-called 'republicans' can get behind any of the GOP issues. Unless you're already part of the billionaires club, none of the policies of the right will really benefit you - unless it's the hate part that drives you. It's an illusion you've been sold by the media.