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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: uncommitted
without leaving the EU
Leaving The EU would send our employment rights through the floor.
We would be working under " Dickensian " conditions.
originally posted by: MrCrow
a reply to: gortex
This is a topic that I can see there's no end to - I certainly don't have any answers as to how to resolve the situation other than rather draconian methodology.
originally posted by: lacrimoniousfinale
originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
Labour failed to defend our borders. Now Tories fail to defend our borders. Where are all the jobs going to come from when we don't have enough for the locals?
The trouble is that too many of the locals are simply unemployable, and have often rendered themselves thus through drink, drugs and tattoos across the forehead. This is the real elephant in the room, and the one that is taboo for politicians of all persuasions. It explains why, for all the talk to the contrary, the major parties are content to let immigration occur. They know what the reality is - many industries would simply collapse if we didn't have a continuous supply of foreign labour.
originally posted by: Rocker2013
originally posted by: MrCrow
a reply to: gortex
This is a topic that I can see there's no end to - I certainly don't have any answers as to how to resolve the situation other than rather draconian methodology.
Again, nothing is going to change unless we change the countries these people are running away from. Eventually we will be forced into doing it when the numbers running into safety from these hell holes reaches a truly impossible number. There are millions more people in these countries now looking at what others are doing and how they are getting to places like Germany and they too want that life, and why shouldn't they want that?
The question shouldn't be how do we deal with these people, the question should be how do we help these people so they don't need to run from their homes in the first place.
originally posted by: Revolution9
The old Britain has gone forever. The new Britain is cosmopolitan. It reflects the modern world. What was so great about this UK you are longing for? It was horrible. I grew up in the mess it had become. Good riddance to that.
originally posted by: MrCrow
a reply to: intrptr
A (small) example of how I, at least, feel:
Visit to the chemist to pick up a prescription, two ladies in front of me, obviously immigrants:
Chemist: Do you pay for your prescription?
Woman one (heavily accented): Noo
Chemist: Do you pay for your prescription?
Woman two (head to toe burka, really heavy accent): Na
Chemist: Do you pay for your prescription?
Me: Yes.
originally posted by: MrCrow
originally posted by: Rocker2013
originally posted by: MrCrow
a reply to: gortex
This is a topic that I can see there's no end to - I certainly don't have any answers as to how to resolve the situation other than rather draconian methodology.
Again, nothing is going to change unless we change the countries these people are running away from. Eventually we will be forced into doing it when the numbers running into safety from these hell holes reaches a truly impossible number. There are millions more people in these countries now looking at what others are doing and how they are getting to places like Germany and they too want that life, and why shouldn't they want that?
The question shouldn't be how do we deal with these people, the question should be how do we help these people so they don't need to run from their homes in the first place.
OK, but how do you change their countries? Destroy their current governments? Send in our troops again?
The only way we will change this situation is by changing the countries these people are running from.
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Rocker2013
The only way we will change this situation is by changing the countries these people are running from.
Thats the whole problem, their countries were devastated by "Humanitarian Interventions" in the first place.
originally posted by: ComplexCassandra
We should not be so focused on national borders without first addressing the vaginal borders. There are already far too many humans in the world. Where they are is of secondary concern.
originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: MrCrow
I was against the Channel Tunnel when they started building it , the way I see it it turned us from an island into a promontory of Europe.
The channel served us well through the centuries but now has be undermined ... literally.
originally posted by: MrCrow
a reply to: intrptr
Who pick up the tab? The taxpayer, i.e. me. And that grates.
originally posted by: MrCrow
a reply to: ComplexCassandra
The reference? They were immigrants. If they, as you say, were white and in their 80's (i.e not immigrants), they'd have paid their NI and be entitled. Or rather, in my book, more entitled.