Balancing The Greater Good

Let's pretend together for a moment.

Let's envision something extraordinary.

Let's imagine you've just been granted the authority to design your own lives.

You've just been granted a gen-current simulator with an fully unlocked console--which means you can arrange any scenes and craft any encounters and manipulate any circumstances towards crafting perfect lives. You can rewind and fast-forward time and delve into the thought patterns of anyone existent--allowing you to build whatever life you desire and shape whatever vision you choose.

You can literally create peerless lives of unparalleled majesty. You can orchestrate incredible existences of symphonic splendor.

And all this you can do towards accomplishing acts of greater good.

For no other reason would you bother crafting a life and putting your spirit inside a body. For no other cause would you put forward all the tedious and painstaking effort requires towards manufacturing a perfect life.

Because--let's be honest here for a moment--simulators with fully unlocked consoles only exist in what you'd colloquially call "heaven." So that's the place you call home.

You already live in a place of unfathomable perfection. You already have all the pleasures and games and preoccupations you'd ever want or desire.

So the only reason for returning to Earth (or another planet) would be spreading love and light throughout the universe.

Thus unto that end you set out designing a life that will provide the most positivity unto the greatest number.

But immediately there's a serious problem: In your quest towards spreading love and light, people are going to get hurt along the way.

Just like making the decision to drive to the store results in the unplanned but unavoidable death of countless insects (and maybe a poor bird or squirrel) so too does choosing to incarnate bring with it inevitable results. Along with all that positivity you plan on bringing into reality, you're going to have some collateral damage.

It's simply inevitable.

You think even Jesus or Lao Tzu went through life without pissing some people off?

You think Buddha's family was happy when he walked out on being a king and decided to beg for alms?

Be serious. We live in a material reality with corporeal consequences. You're never going to design a completely faultless life.

Even when designing your own lives, the old saying holds true: "You can't make everyone happy."

So along that route towards the greater good, unfortunate people will get their ankles kicked and their toes stepped on. Not everyone will be happy or unharmed by the results of your largely benevolent decisions.

Accidents happen.

That's life.

So upon recognizing that you immediately go back into your simulator. You rewind and remake scenes--and you add in karmic retribution on yourself. For each harm you cause another along that route towards victory, you inject a similar harm unto yourself.

You counterweight the line in every possible way. You keep that equation balanced.

Does that make you feel any better? Does knowing you're suffering as well possibly ameliorate the unintentional and accidental harms you cause others?

Then how about this? Before letting anybody suffer any harm from your incarnate form, you go back in the simulator and double-check to make sure they karmically deserve whatever beatings you'll inevitably unleash.

Does that help assuage your guilt? Would acting as the cosmic arm of karmic justice make injuring people's feelings (and possibly their forms) any easier?

Or what about this: Does knowing you're working towards some nebulous concept of "the greater good" help ease your conscience at coming into the world and wrecking tangential havoc on a number of others?

You have a gen-current simulator with a fully-unlocked console. You can look up any factoid or detail about the life you're creating.

You know about all these harms in advance--and you can't make the life work without causing a significant number of them.

But this you need decide for yourself, because the simulator can't give you an answer:

When does the amount of accidental damage you'll cause vitiate your motivation to life that inspiring life?

It's an open-ended question. Reasonable minds will vary.

So riddle me this: How much damage would need be inevitable before you gave up on crafting benevolent lives, closed down your simulator for good, and decided you'd rather help people out from heaven?

When does the amount of collateral damage you'll trigger outweigh any concept of the greater good?

a reply to: Trachel

How about this: if you are tempted to monkey around with the lives of others, especially if these others are sentient...don't.

Not even with the best of intentions.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Trachel

How about this: if you are tempted to monkey around with the lives of others, especially if these others are sentient...don't.

Not even with the best of intentions.

But even by talking with someone you're monkeying around with their lives. You're injecting thoughtstreams into their consciousness that didn't before exist.

So I guess you're saying is that given the opportunity to design your own lives, you'd immediately stop incarnating because any incarnation would inevitably monkey around with other lives.

Fair enough.

originally posted by: Trachel
You already live in a place of unfathomable perfection. You already have all the pleasures and games and preoccupations you'd ever want or desire.

So the only reason for returning to Earth (or another planet) would be spreading love and light throughout the universe.

And or possibly help teach more directly then from beyond... To HELP them get back to their native homes.

originally posted by: Trachel
Be serious. We live in a material reality with corporeal consequences. You're never going to design a completely faultless life.

To 1 it would be more logical to design or Create these Creations in forms that can morph into more advanced forms of themselves as the gain more intelligence and consciousness as they mature through their pre-designed ETERNAL Phases of Life and Death within EXISTENCE...
Eventually allowing them ALL* to ASCEND into the Higher Realms of benevolence or HEAVENS as they LEARN, with free WILL.

For Example:
Where is the Alien Human SOUL Native too?

Further if the Human body is a vessel for the SPIRIT then is not the INTERNAL ENERGY Ascending as it passes on into NU regions of EXISTENCE.

If there ARE more elder non human CREATOR Creations who too have and can "shed" their physical forms through their Phases of Life and Death within EXISTENCE who also carry AN Internal Energy that Ascends into similar if not the same regions the Human SPIRIT may encounter (who due to being more Elder in Creation then the less matured can influence either in helpful ways or harmful ways, these souls)
ARE THEY TOO NOT PART OF THE SAME CYCLES OF CREATION AS THEY HELP OR HARM THOSE UNAWARE OF THEM and either Ascend or remain during their phases? Due to their also free wills...

So maybe OP with the Soul/Spirit/Internal Energy morphing ability through various forms aligned with potential ascending up or down based on free will practices is part of the perfection...

originally posted by: Trachel
Even when designing your own lives, the old saying holds true: "You can't make everyone happy."

So along that route towards the greater good, unfortunate people will get their ankles kicked and their toes stepped on. Not everyone will be happy or unharmed by the results of your largely benevolent decisions.

Accidents happen.

That's life.

Free Will program-concept -Allow them to collectively gather in the groups they magnetize to.
WILL they Ascend in the same groups manners into the same regions with others like them, 1 wonders?
HEAVEN-HELL?

originally posted by: Trachel
It's an open-ended question. Reasonable minds will vary.

originally posted by: Trachel
So riddle me this: How much damage would need be inevitable before you gave up on crafting benevolent lives, closed down your simulator for good, and decided you'd rather help people out from heaven?

The ASCENSION Morphing process of body soul, body soul? would eventually get those to the Benevolent HEAVENS & others elsewhere more Malevolent inhabited controlled (also morphs)

originally posted by: Trachel
When does the amount of collateral damage you'll trigger outweigh any concept of the greater good?

1 wouldn't be triggering if pre set souls set to grow into body forms then morph into either next Soul form or another body form.

Ex-one life your human living above a planet next life you ASCEND beyond into LIGHT BODY or are reformulated soul material into a being that say lives within the planet you once walked upon. Until you LEARN...

NAMASTE*******
LOVE traveling within the conduit of LIGHT for ETERNIA

Can you define greater good in such a way that you can work out the details of it in all cases? If not, what are you doing being allowed to run that simulator?

originally posted by: StanFL
Can you define greater good in such a way that you can work out the details of it in all cases? If not, what are you doing being allowed to run that simulator?

Greater good falls under your own subjective interpretation. So yeah, you can certainly make a clearcut definition.

But I'm wondering what the definition of others would be.

For example, at the present moment I can't rationalize incarnating to serve "the greater good" if anyone else is getting hurt along the way. I don't want to be the cosmic arm of justice or spread negativity in any fashion.

But others might accept hurting one or two people throughout an entire life if the life helps hundreds or thousands or millions.

That's the kind of balancing I'm talking about finding. And that's the kind of viewpoints I'm interested in gathering.

How many could you justify harming (and how great the harms) before no amount of "greater good" remained worthwhile?

What greater good is there than the goodness of the universe that produces our very life forms and the goodness of the Earth that births us, nurtures us, and sustains us? The universe is naturally good, if you try to change it you will ruin it.

Want to do the greatest good for all beings? Stop trying to change things and let the natural order of the cosmos sort itself out.

originally posted by: EviLCHiMP
What greater good is there than the goodness of the universe that produces our very life forms and the goodness of the Earth that births us, nurtures us, and sustains us? The universe is naturally good, if you try to change it you will ruin it.

Want to do the greatest good for all beings? Stop trying to change things and let the natural order of the cosmos sort itself out.

Interesting viewpoint.

So you don't think Buddha should have incarnated to try and show people the path towards enlightenment?

You don't think Jesus should have come into this world to teach people how to stop being dicks?

Or are you suggesting something else entire?

originally posted by: Trachel

originally posted by: EviLCHiMP
What greater good is there than the goodness of the universe that produces our very life forms and the goodness of the Earth that births us, nurtures us, and sustains us? The universe is naturally good, if you try to change it you will ruin it.

Want to do the greatest good for all beings? Stop trying to change things and let the natural order of the cosmos sort itself out.

Interesting viewpoint.

So you don't think Buddha should have incarnated to try and show people the path towards enlightenment?

You don't think Jesus should have come into this world to teach people how to stop being dicks?

Or are you suggesting something else entire?

The Buddha and all great teachers of man were effects of a cause, a natural reaction from nature towards mankinds atrocities at the time. If another Buddha or Jesus is to arise it will happen by natural occurrence, not by someones decision to attempt to emanate them. Faith in the powers that created the order of the universe should be of more regard than doing what we -think- is right, because as human nature has shown, even murderers -think- they are doing the right thing.

When the universe decides we need change it will give us signs, as it is right now, the wise will take heed of its warnings and prepare spiritually, mentally, and emotionally for what is to come. The ignorant will remain ignorant and remain in denial until universal laws either remove them from its course or correct them in their ways.

Either way the universe will continue creating order out of chaos. As for us as individuals, we should only be concerned with which side we manifest within and without of ourselves. Are we going to project and act upon ideas that produce chaos and deny the universal laws that manifest before our very eyes, or are we going to project and act upon ideas that work in accordance with them?

If we truly wish to do the highest good we would denounce our human desires, tear down our civilization, and replant the garden that once covered this entire earth and live by its sustenance rather than our own.

originally posted by: EviLCHiMP
The Buddha and all great teachers of man were effects of a cause, a natural reaction from nature towards mankinds atrocities at the time. If another Buddha or Jesus is to arise it will happen by natural occurrence, not by someones decision to attempt to emanate them.

See, that's where we disagree (which is fine, I respect your opinion).

I believe that noble lives like Buddha and Jesus were by design. I believe they incarnated at that specific time for that specific reason, and in advance they plotted out the good they'd accomplish within the world.

I also believe that each human life is by design, and that we each of us are here learning our own specific lessons upon a pre-planned curriculum.

a reply to: Trachel

But even by talking with someone you're monkeying around with their lives. You're injecting thoughtstreams into their consciousness that didn't before exist.

So I guess you're saying is that given the opportunity to design your own lives, you'd immediately stop incarnating because any incarnation would inevitably monkey around with other lives.

you know what i meant, so dont play dumb.

or maybe you arent playing.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Trachel

But even by talking with someone you're monkeying around with their lives. You're injecting thoughtstreams into their consciousness that didn't before exist.

So I guess you're saying is that given the opportunity to design your own lives, you'd immediately stop incarnating because any incarnation would inevitably monkey around with other lives.

you know what i meant, so dont play dumb.

or maybe you arent playing.

I don't know what you mean, actually.

I can infer what you intended say--but I'd rather have you explain so there's zero miscommunication.

Have a good evening!

So many have taken this theory for truth, yet no one to this day has been able to provide a shred of proof for reincarnation.

Obviously, if people are able to be hurt, it means they are not innocent, an innocent mind which is whole and holy cannot be hurt.

If one is hurt through words and actions (i do not mean intentionally hit, suppressed, ect..) it should be seen as a mirror, why does this hurt me so much?
The answer to that question lies within oneself, through finding out the answer one grows spiritually.

Sadly it is the case that people rather fight and kill those who hurt them, we are such superficial beings.

a reply to: EviLCHiMP

If we truly wish to do the highest good we would denounce our human desires, tear down our civilization, and replant the garden that once covered this entire earth and live by its sustenance rather than our own.

We don't have to be primitive to be in harmony with nature. Birds build nests and beavers build dens. The problem is not civilization or technology, but technology which is harmful to nature.

For example, instead of burning coal and causing pollution, solar energy is an alternative that works better with nature. This may sound crazy, but imagine if we grew grass and trees on top of buildings? It is not the same as a forest but it will definitely help to clean the air.

Humanity can find creative ways for society and technology to help and be in harmony with nature rather than just being primitive.