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originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Trachel
How about this: if you are tempted to monkey around with the lives of others, especially if these others are sentient...don't.
Not even with the best of intentions.
originally posted by: Trachel
You already live in a place of unfathomable perfection. You already have all the pleasures and games and preoccupations you'd ever want or desire.
So the only reason for returning to Earth (or another planet) would be spreading love and light throughout the universe.
originally posted by: Trachel
Be serious. We live in a material reality with corporeal consequences. You're never going to design a completely faultless life.
originally posted by: Trachel
Even when designing your own lives, the old saying holds true: "You can't make everyone happy."
So along that route towards the greater good, unfortunate people will get their ankles kicked and their toes stepped on. Not everyone will be happy or unharmed by the results of your largely benevolent decisions.
Accidents happen.
That's life.
originally posted by: Trachel
It's an open-ended question. Reasonable minds will vary.
originally posted by: Trachel
So riddle me this: How much damage would need be inevitable before you gave up on crafting benevolent lives, closed down your simulator for good, and decided you'd rather help people out from heaven?
originally posted by: Trachel
When does the amount of collateral damage you'll trigger outweigh any concept of the greater good?
originally posted by: StanFL
Can you define greater good in such a way that you can work out the details of it in all cases? If not, what are you doing being allowed to run that simulator?
originally posted by: EviLCHiMP
What greater good is there than the goodness of the universe that produces our very life forms and the goodness of the Earth that births us, nurtures us, and sustains us? The universe is naturally good, if you try to change it you will ruin it.
Want to do the greatest good for all beings? Stop trying to change things and let the natural order of the cosmos sort itself out.
originally posted by: Trachel
originally posted by: EviLCHiMP
What greater good is there than the goodness of the universe that produces our very life forms and the goodness of the Earth that births us, nurtures us, and sustains us? The universe is naturally good, if you try to change it you will ruin it.
Want to do the greatest good for all beings? Stop trying to change things and let the natural order of the cosmos sort itself out.
Interesting viewpoint.
So you don't think Buddha should have incarnated to try and show people the path towards enlightenment?
You don't think Jesus should have come into this world to teach people how to stop being dicks?
Or are you suggesting something else entire?
originally posted by: EviLCHiMP
The Buddha and all great teachers of man were effects of a cause, a natural reaction from nature towards mankinds atrocities at the time. If another Buddha or Jesus is to arise it will happen by natural occurrence, not by someones decision to attempt to emanate them.
But even by talking with someone you're monkeying around with their lives. You're injecting thoughtstreams into their consciousness that didn't before exist.
So I guess you're saying is that given the opportunity to design your own lives, you'd immediately stop incarnating because any incarnation would inevitably monkey around with other lives.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Trachel
But even by talking with someone you're monkeying around with their lives. You're injecting thoughtstreams into their consciousness that didn't before exist.
So I guess you're saying is that given the opportunity to design your own lives, you'd immediately stop incarnating because any incarnation would inevitably monkey around with other lives.
you know what i meant, so dont play dumb.
or maybe you arent playing.
If we truly wish to do the highest good we would denounce our human desires, tear down our civilization, and replant the garden that once covered this entire earth and live by its sustenance rather than our own.