The Old testament prophecy awaits two Messiahs: Messiah ben Joseph and Messiah ben David.
With the arrival and rejection of Jesus Christ (ben Joseph) the Jewish teaching entered a kind of limbo in their eschatological theory.
Recent prominent Rabbis announced they await now only Messiah ben David.
Messianic Jews who accept Jesus, are not few and make an important part of worldwide Christianity, although their percentage maynot be comparable to
the CONVERTED former pagan nations to Christianity in the course of history. Today's messianic Jews could be its most important part according to the
writings of Paul.
I will not enter into the details of what Messiah ben Joseph should have done, connected also to Gog and Magog, and how he could be killed in the
The point I discuss here, is Messiah ben David. He might or might not be identical with the expected by Christians and Muslims Second Coming of Jesus
Christ (although the Muslims expect him as forerunner of their prophet).
The best case scenario, we have the Second Coming in Glory. But we cannot be sure of that, since no one, not even the angels (extraterrestrials), not
even the Son (Jesus Christ) know the timing of that final event.
Messiah ben David means "son of David", i.e. descendant of the same lineage of David that Jesus himself came from. Could it be possible Messiah ben
David to be descendant of Jesus Christ himself? Those who believe Jesus was married, would support that hypothesis. Those who do not believe in the
apocrypha books, could say, well, Jesus didn't have kids but He had enough cousins, didn't he? Anyone of those people whom we know about to be
relatives of Jesus: Simon, Jude, John, James, or others whom we don't know about, could have descendants who would qualify for being Messiah ben
David. If and when God grants that to happen.
Taking Jesus out of context of his time is may be one of the biggest single mistakes. I've heard absurd homilies of how Jesus and Joseph must have
traveled to the other towns to find orders for their carpenter's products... as if they lived in 18th century Germany, or what? In anyway that is not
a dogma of the church. Jesus lived among other people, not isolated, he had large family that extended beyond Mary, Joseph and him. He lived community
life for the time he was in Nazareth. Beyond what is logical assumption for the style of life at that time, it is enigma why nothing is written about
him before his public mission. (Was he absent from Earth? But that is a topic that could be discussed separately).
Jesus had ENOUGH relatives, some of them appointed by Him as apostles. There are enough descendants of the lineage of David, especially that
particular branch that Jesus Christ came thru Mary.
The assumption that the Jews "must" choose wrongly again, "must" choose the "antichrist", is not well found in the Scripture. Instead, Paul writes
volumes of the readmission of the Jews into their proper spiritual heritage once they accept Jesus Christ. The idea they would do so only shortly
before Armageddon, is hypothesis and not proven by the prophets. Revelation alone, imo, does not give enough arguments in support of that hypothesis.
There might be a time span between the readmission of the Jews and the Second Coming, long enough beyond our comprehension.
Why should the expected by them Messiah ben David be the Antichrist? Because it fits certain current theories how it should be? Where is it written in
the entire Bible, that person to be the antichrist? Instead, he is the one who overcomes the evil lord(s), who restores already hit/partially
destroyed Israel, etc.
We already had that in history for thousand plus years. We don't need a new building of a 3rd temple and new destruction of it, as modern preachers
predict. The temple was already built and destroyed.
Messiah ben David is different personage from any of the 30+ names of the so called "antichrist" given in the Old Testament prophetic books. Let
remember again that negative personage is called "antichrist" only in the letters of John and the Revelation. Not in the OT. Jesus Himself doesn't
talk of ONE final antichrist, rather of many false messiahs and false christs. How modern preachers want to tie up that negative image of a final evil
man called popularly "The Antichrist" with the all good divine appointed Messiah ben David, is incomprehensible for me.
I don't know if I will be alive long enough to see the arrival of Messiah ben David, even less the Second Coming of Jesus Christ that may take place
after several more millenia. I hope however assistance will be given to our current world, to avoid the worst possible nightmares, that internet is
Do you think the expected by the Jews "Messiah ben David" is "the Antichrist", why or why not?
Do you think Messiah ben David could be fulfilled only by the Second Coming of Jesus Christ? How about the pretty earthly and material attributes to
the arrival of Messiah ben David, including the earthly restoration of the Jewish heritage? How about the "unknown timing" of the arrival of Jesus
Christ? He may or may not come in our age, and we should know that well. Do you think we are before the Second Coming, precisely several years before,
and how could you be sure of that?
I am sorry I would not be able to answer each post individually. Hope to make a second post sometimes later.
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