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originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
"Private" individuals do not get any training at all
originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: burdman30ott6
Are defend and kill one in the same?
I feel like there is some ground between those.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
"Private" individuals do not get any training at all
WRONG
www.freshfromflorida.com...
To obtain your CCW in Florida you must complete training courses, which MUST include firearm safety and generally include police-like situational training.
originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: burdman30ott6
Are defend and kill one in the same?
I feel like there is some ground between those.
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
as I said before, having a CCW is irrelevant - you do not need a CCW to "stand your ground"
In seven of every ten stand your ground cases, the person killed was unarmed – and in 79 percent of the cases, the assailant could have retreated to avoid the confrontation.
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: burdman30ott6
4/5th of the time there was no "push into a fight" at all.......the situation could have been defused by retreating....which is obviously exactly the opposite of "standing", but is also the point being made - standing kills more people.
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
A study of the use of "Stand your Ground" laws has found that they are most often invoked by people with a history of crime and/or violence, and as such they actually undermine public safety:
The Florida Experience
Florida’s 2005 law was invoked in nearly 200 shooting cases through 2012 – a majority of them involving fatalities. The cases were documented by the Tampa Bay Times:
•The Florida law’s chief beneficiaries were “those with records of crime and violence.” Nearly 60 percent of those making self-defense claims after killing someone had been arrested at least once before; a third had been accused of violent crimes or drug offenses; and over one-third had illegally carried guns or had threatened others with guns.
•In seven of every ten stand your ground cases, the person killed was unarmed – and in 79 percent of the cases, the assailant could have retreated to avoid the confrontation.
•Shooters who invoked stand your ground claims under Florida’s 2005 law succeeded in escaping prosecution two-thirds of the time.
more guns and a perception that you are going to "get off" if you use them unsurprisingly leads to more people using them.
And since most people have little or no training in how to defuse a violent situation, cope with the anxiety and panic of an armed confrontation (even if they are the only one armed) it is not particularly surprising (to me at least) that they make really bad decisions in such situations.
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
originally posted by: EternalSolace
It shouldn't matter whether you have a criminal past, regardless of the crime, or not. Everyone should have the right to defend their home against any and all threats. No one should have to retreat in their home, hide, or wait to see what the intruder might do.
Your source says:
The Florida law’s chief beneficiaries were “those with records of crime and violence.”
It would seem to me that the chief beneficiaries were those who were defending their homes.
A simplistic answer - a more nuanced one would be to ask why is it that so many people who apparently "need" to be "helped" in this way are "those with records of crime and violence"??
where are the vast numbers of good righteous law abiding citizens (for the sake of argument....) using it??
are you not concerned that almost 4/5th of the people shot are unarmed?
originally posted by: CB328
are you not concerned that almost 4/5th of the people shot are unarmed?
Of course they're not concerned, pro life is just a slogan, not an actual value.