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New Planned Parenthood Video: Baby Parts Buyer Jokes About Shipping Severed Heads

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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:00 AM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw


I actually knew that most of you would
say that no organ donor or their
families deserve respect.

That no family can expect their loved ones
remains to be treated with dignity or
any respect at all if they agree to organ
donation.

It is only fair then to let families of
organ donors and 16+ week old fetus
know that the bodies they donate
will be laughed over
used for gags
laughed at
and treated with no dignity and no respect
and no caring and no compassion
for the grieving family or the
mother in emotional pain.

It should be clearly stated on all organ
donation forms, because I think most
families expect the opposite treatment
of their loved ones.



And how would you intend to police that law?

These practices tend to go on behind closed doors,

and only a couple of people in attendance.

Have you ever considered they are laughing to

lighten the atmosphere of what must be an awful

job and not at the deceased?




if I knew that the people removing the organs
would be making a joke of my pain and grief;
if I knew that they would not even behave
in a civil or respectful manner toward the body.

New law, because you think the
bodies deserve zero respect and the
people donating them assume the
bodies will be treated respectfully
: all organ donations must come with
a caveat that states that body might be
laughed at and over while organs are being
removed


Hmmn... You do seem tohave a chip on your shoulder. get over

yourself.

I personally have found that in the dealings I have had with Doctors

and Undertakers, that they all behave with complete professionalism

and respect. I don't know why you should believe any differently.


But if you are going by the videos ... 'remember' they are *actors*

and the videos have been 'doctored' ... Soz I mean edited.




posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw
Yep you are right it is so very PC

to ask that people respect grieving families
how gauche


Yes, that is the point behind political correctness. To demand that people being insensitive be nice to each other. Now you are getting it.


I capitulate, we must treat grieving families
and their loved ones with the greatest disrespect
in order for research to continue,
without total and complete disregard and
disrespect for cadavers
and for grieving families
and for the mothers who make the
difficult decision to abort
why, there would be no research at all.


We must do nothing. There is no requirement on this. We should respect these things, especially around the grieving family, but there is no must involved with any of this (that is unless you had your way).


It is so very PC
to take into account the mother who made
a difficult decision to abort,
if we took her feelings into account
and treated the fetus with dignity and respect,
why all medical research would come to a screeching halt.

What was I thinking?


Well going by your sarcasm here, I'd say you aren't thinking about how all the arguments you are making in this post are literally politically correct arguments.


You are all right, we must continue to be disrespectful
to the cadavers and to insist that their loves ones
just acknowledge that the cadavers will be treated
with the utmost disrespect possible in order to
further research,
if we dared introduce the concept
of respect well, really
all medical research would come to a screeching halt.

You are all correct. I bow to your wisdom.



Actually, we MUST not let busybodies not liking our speech try make the government dictate what we can and cannot say. If you want to respect the dead. Fine, but don't violate anyone's rights and force others to do it. Go reread the First Amendment.

Though your hypocrisy remains very amusing to me. I can't wait until you join a thread on race and start complaining about us pushing political correctness when someone makes a racially insensitive remark. Though then again, you'll never catch me trying to push new laws FORCING people to say the things I'd like them to say like you are.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:06 AM
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originally posted by: eletheia


But if you are going by the videos ... 'remember' they are *actors*

and the videos have been 'doctored' ... Soz I mean edited.


And it was the fakers who were making all the jokes in the video ("make sure you close their eyes", "debone that chicken before I eat it", etc.).



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:06 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar

Yep you are right respect is something no one
should expect anymore, it is passe and so
old fashioned.

Interesting to see the liberals and progressives
argue so intensely for disrespect and
disregard for human dignity,

saying it is to be expected and holding
up the right as their example of why
everyone should be disrespectful and
expect disrespect.


A lack of compassion, dignity and respect
for all human beings,
is the new norm for everyone, hurrah!

Wow, morality and ethics are dead in the US
when the left argues that no one should
expect to be treated with respect anymore,
that respect and human dignity are old fashioned
concepts to be disregarded if they in any way
infringe on the policies of the left.

Then use the right to bolster their argument
in favor of disrespect for human beings and
that no one has any right to expect anyone
else to be treated with compassion, respect and dignity.

WOW!

In respecting the cadaver one is respecting the person
they used to be, respecting their friends if an
organ donor, respecting their grieving family.
So the argument is FOR disrespect and a lack
of compassion as to be expected and the new norm
supported by both the right and the left.

In respecting the fetus one is respecting the
mother who made a difficult and often
gut wrenching decision to abort. So the
argument is FOR disrespect and a lack
of compassion for the mother as to be expected
and the new norm supported by both the
right and left.


Congratulations humanity has sunk to a new
low!




edit on 11Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:09:19 -0500am82608amk263 by grandmakdw because: edit



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Krazysh0t

well, you can always agree with whatever they say and preserve your rights...
ya know, you're either for us or against us...


Lol.


the gov't is never gonna get doctors, nurses, ect to not act disrespectful to their patients when they think they can get away with it. god, the same crap happens in the operating room with living patients!!
but of course, those living patients shouldn't be endowed with the same rights as the unborn, so guess that doesn't matter.


Exactly. It's just asinine to even think you CAN legislate something like that. It shows that the pro-life crowd is really scraping the barrel to keep this non-issue in the headlines. If the video in the OP is the quality of their remaining 4 - 5 videos, expect this issue to go away naturally.


like it or not, respect seems to be something that has pretty much vanished in today's world. is there any respect when the right talks about the poor visable? what about those low wage earners, they don't deserve respect either it seems, and well our neighbors, people we pass on the street?
god, have someone cut you off in quest of a parking spot at the grocery store and see how much respect is shown!!!


Respect is just some abstract idea that people have in their heads about manners and decorum. Everyone has a different idea of what "respect" is and there is no way to define it legally to ensure respect is given. It's a useless endeavor that creates more bureaucracy. Though my biggest hang up with the solution is that it violates the First Amendment, which seems to be a point that grandma there wants to ignore.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: eletheia


But if you are going by the videos ... 'remember' they are *actors*

and the videos have been 'doctored' ... Soz I mean edited.


And it was the fakers who were making all the jokes in the video ("make sure you close their eyes", "debone that chicken before I eat it", etc.).


That's what I saw in the video when I watched it. So why is the title of this thread not "CMP stooges joking about shipping severed heads"? That would be the accurate synopsis for the video.

I like this site but there is so much ignorance about basic facts and unchecked, let alone unverified, information that it just comes across as a bit of a joke.

It's a shame because it could be a hotbed of informed debate instead of the parody that it is now.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:11 AM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw
Yep you are right it is so very PC

to ask that people respect grieving families how gauche

I capitulate, we must treat grieving families and their loved ones with the greatest disrespect in order for research to continue, without total and complete disregard and disrespect for cadavers and for grieving families and for the mothers who make the difficult decision to abort why, there would be no research at all.


Nothing like taking something to the ABSURD extreme...

Of course I (and others, I'm sure) WANT people, bodies, donated tissue to be treated with respect, and most times, I would wager that it is. But it's not something I'm willing to LEGISLATE. It violates free speech. If you are willing to violate others' free speech, I'm not going to agree with it.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Free speech is not involved in
piling up little body parts and
then using a tweezer to pull up a leg
and saying "Oh a boy!"

You know what I mean by respect,
you just are so entrenched in your position
that you can't even think that there might
be a way to end the Mengle like behavior
AND preserve the abortion you so staunchly
defend.

This is not a free speech issue, it is society
accepting behavior that we used to only
see from Jospeh Mengle in his research,
and now defending this behavior as
free speech, really.

I give up, you have all decided that no one
deserves compassion, respect and dignity,
when it comes to medical research.

So I bow out for now, sad that you all think
that medical research and abortion will come
to a screeching halt if
we ask that cadavers be treated with dignity
and respect and by extension their mothers
and loved ones treated with compassion.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

No one is arguing FOR disrespect, we are arguing AGAINST penalizing (jailing, fining, etc.) people for being disrespectful.

Get your absurdist argument straight at least!



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:18 AM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Free speech is not involved in
piling up little body parts and
then using a tweezer to pull up a leg
and saying "Oh a boy!"


Yes it is. That is free speech. You ARE allowed to do that under the First Amendment.


You know what I mean by respect,
you just are so entrenched in your position
that you can't even think that there might
be a way to end the Mengle like behavior
AND preserve the abortion you so staunchly
defend.


I DO know what you mean by respect, but that isn't good enough. You need a legal definition of respect, not what some random lady thinks respect is and isn't.


This is not a free speech issue, it is society
accepting behavior that we used to only
see from Jospeh Mengle in his research,
and now defending this behavior as
free speech, really.


I know it isn't, but you are trying to make it one.


I give up, you have all decided that no one
deserves compassion, respect and dignity,
when it comes to medical research.


Actually, we haven't decided that at all, but I see your strawman train is going at full speed again so I'm not going to attempt to debunk this nonsense.


So I bow out for now, sad that you all think
that medical research and abortion will come
to a screeching halt if
we ask that cadavers be treated with dignity
and respect and by extension their mothers
and loved ones treated with compassion.


I'm more worried that you still haven't acknowledged that your legal suggestion would violate the First Amendment, or maybe you fleeing the conversation is your way of admitting that I was right. I guess I can just hope it's the latter...



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:18 AM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: grandmakdw
Yep you are right it is so very PC

to ask that people respect grieving families how gauche

I capitulate, we must treat grieving families and their loved ones with the greatest disrespect in order for research to continue, without total and complete disregard and disrespect for cadavers and for grieving families and for the mothers who make the difficult decision to abort why, there would be no research at all.


Nothing like taking something to the ABSURD extreme...

Of course I (and others, I'm sure) WANT people, bodies, donated tissue to be treated with respect, and most times, I would wager that it is. But it's not something I'm willing to LEGISLATE. It violates free speech. If you are willing to violate others' free speech, I'm not going to agree with it.


Actions, like treating (physically) cadavers with respect
(and really you have no idea what respect is?)
is a free speech matter?
I see no speech involved in throwing around organs
as gags. I see no speech involved in cutting up
fetus who feel pain with no anesthesia.
There is a great deal of respect that does not entail speech at all.
It is a fallacious argument on your part.

Anyway, I promised to leave the thread, got to run, real life awaits.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:21 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Ummm yah and the statists are yiping about jan Michelson saying people can be property of the state.i find it ludicrous that all the progressives are screaming over michelsons statements but have no problem with trafficking in aborted baby organs (because abortions will happen anyway) and doctors reaching into the womb to pull arms and legs out. There is so much sickness in the world.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:22 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw




Interesting to see the liberals and progressives argue so intensely for disrespect and disregard for human dignity,



and quite frankly, I see the conservatives overwhelming "I'm so offended" attitude towards this one area as being oh so insincere!!
human dignity means you don't let a women suffer for days denying her treatment waiting for the fetus she is carrying to die, nor does it mean denying a pregnant girl treatment for her cancer for the sake a the fetus!
human dignity doesn't mean you keep a large portion of the population at wages so low that they are forced to depend on gov't handouts to stay alive
and this certainly isn't a picture of human dignity being revered!
en.wikipedia.org...#/media/File:TrangBang.jpg

you can't grant a fetus rights just to strip them away after they are born...
if they deserve dignity after abortion well by god, so don't all these workers ringing up your groceries and serving you your big macs.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:23 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: grandmakdw

No one is arguing FOR disrespect, we are arguing AGAINST penalizing (jailing, fining, etc.) people for being disrespectful.

Get your absurdist argument straight at least!



Oh dear, one more reply.
Really I need to get stuff done.

Yes, windword was arguing for disrespect
for the cadaver
to be expected and normal.

Who said anything about jailing?
Anyone ever heard of fines?
That is how many breeches of conduct are handled.

And yes, one person made a huge
post as to why because the right
disrespects........ and so the left
can disrespect.....

and that everyone
should expect a lack of compassion,
disrespect as the new norm
and just
get over this business of thinking that
people living or cadavers have any
expectation of compassion or respect

from either the right or the left when
it comes to policies that they feel
strongly about.


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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:24 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

You should go reread the legal definition of "speech". You appear to only think it applies to words coming out of someone's mouth. For instance, any joke, even physical comedy like you suggested is considered speech, and yes, it is protected by the First Amendment.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:26 AM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw
Who said anything about jailing?
Anyone ever heard of fines?
That is how many breeches of conduct are handled.


That is STILL a violation of the First Amendment! If the government makes ANY restriction on speech, it violates the First Amendment. It isn't just limited to jail time.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:35 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw


You are basing all your assumptions on some heavily edited

videos. Edited especially for the most possible impact and

damage, to achieving a specific purpose.


*WELL DONE* to them they have caught a few 'gullibles' LOL!!


You wont be getting respect on there, otherwise there wouldn't

be the required 'impact and damage'



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:37 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

my county is wasting time debating on weather or not they should stop giving money to the united way because well they provide funds to planned parenthood for some educational program...
breast cancer took a hit because the people who were sponsoring it provided money for planned parenthood...
god only knows what else has taken a hit because of this "oh, I'm so offended" bs!

I'm sorry, but I do see disrespect and lack of compassion all over the place, from the neighbor who's family has three flipping paychecks coming in and yet thinks it's okay to bug me four days out of the week trying to bum crap from me when she knows danged well that I have nothing coming in and am basically peddling everything I own to the danged rude drivers on the road that get irked and start screaming at me when I lose ability in my feet and suddenly find that I have slowed down considerably.. and it seems like the conservatives do like to try to strip dignity from more and more people every day through their economic, pull yourself up by the bootstraps, I worked hard for what I have, nonsense!



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

So the law is fine as long as it's according to your ideals......



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I hope you say this on threads that discuss the gov spying on us. Statists usually defend the gov when it's to their specifications.




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