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New Planned Parenthood Video: Baby Parts Buyer Jokes About Shipping Severed Heads

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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

This thread just became a comedy routine to me.




posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 09:51 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: grandmakdw

I've already answered your hyperbolic righteous indignation. Dead is dead! There is no dignity in death. A corpse needs no privacy.

You can't legislate respect.



And the family can
and must expect their loved one's body to
be laughed over and laughed at routinely,
to be used as a gag machine for
colleagues of Doctors, researchers, etc
to be treated as a piece of meat
and as a joke while organs are removed
for donation?

Great.

I'm withdrawing my organ donation
from my drivers license immediately
if that is how society has decided it is moral,
right and ethical to
treat organ donors/tissue donors
and to not accord any respect to the grieving family.





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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: introvert

I actually knew that most of you would
say that no organ donor or their
families deserve respect.

That no family can expect their loved ones
remains to be treated with dignity or
any respect at all if they agree to organ
donation.

It is only fair then to let families of
organ donors and 16+ week old fetus
know that the bodies they donate
will be laughed over
used for gags
laughed at
and treated with no dignity and no respect
and no caring and no compassion
for the grieving family or the
mother in emotional pain.

It should be clearly stated on all organ
donation forms, because I think most
families expect the opposite treatment
of their loved ones.

I for one would not donate organs
or sign a donation form for loved ones organs
if I knew that their body might be laughed at
while removing the organs;
if I knew that the people removing the organs
would be making a joke of my pain and grief;
if I knew that they would not even behave
in a civil or respectful manner toward the body.

New law, because you think the
bodies deserve zero respect and the
people donating them assume the
bodies will be treated respectfully
: all organ donations must come with
a caveat that states that body might be
laughed at and over while organs are being
removed, that no care will be taken to preserve
the privacy or dignity of the person, and
that the family can expect absolutely no
privacy or respect in their time of grief.
That would be honest and it would allow
what you want, the bodies to be treated as
a joke and a piece of dead meat.





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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar

You really are pulling that argument in the face of the evidence shown by PP video? It does not matter what you think, if the baby / human being is formed already it is called MURDER; PERIOD!

Stop trying to justify the psychopaths who are clearly in the wrong. If the baby wasn't formed to which THEY LIED about, THEN maybe and that's a BIIIG MAYBE.

How would you feel if you had your head severed and sold. Oh wait, you were murdered so you wouldn't feel a thing right? Oh wait, the baby is formed, so it MUST feel.

thumbs down to you and any psychopaths trying to justify murder.
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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 10:00 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

What do mean specifically by "respect and dignity"?

So you don't want companies like Stem Express to make any profit? What about the research companies? I guess funeral homes shouldn't make a profit either, since they deal with cadavers? So, you want the mothers and families to profit financially instead? How is that better? How would that not encourage unscrupulous people from profiting off of donated fetuses and organ donors?

Free abortions - I don't have a problem with that.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 10:00 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw



I actually knew that most of you would
say that no organ donor or their
families deserve respect.


That's not what I said. I said it means nothing. You cannot create legislation that says you have to show "respect" to someone or something in certain situations. How would you define it? What if we disagreed.

Isn't this a form of thought police, in a manner of speaking?



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 10:01 AM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: Krazysh0t
a reply to: windword
a reply to: kaylaluv

I have noticed that not a single fighter for abortion has
commented on my proposed law:
Do you find this a morally repugnant attempt
at a solution if one is a liberal or progressive?


I just joined the thread this morning. I didn't read the four or so pages before hand because I find the premise of this PP video to be ridiculous and hypocritical of what Conservatives usually complain about (political correctness).


Here is my
suggestion for a new law.
Repeated for those of you who have
decided there can be no middle ground
no solution to what has been happening:


That brain dead organ donors
research cadavers
and 16+ week old fetus
cadavers be treated with
respect and dignity.

That doctors, practitioners,
researchers will be held
accountable if they handle
any human organs with disrespect
or disrespect in any way the
human body of the organ donor
or the fully formed fetus,
while removing organs or tissue
for donation.


What is respect and dignity? How about legally defining those words? Also, why are they necessary?


That Doctor, practitioner, researcher
/ client privilege
should be enforced with
the researcher or practitioner
held accountable
to uphold the privacy and
dignity of the cadaver, by law.


Privacy of the cadaver? What does that even mean? That the doctor cutting the organs out of the body has to cover up the dead bodies private parts? Sounds ridiculous to me.


That the cadavers be treated
in a way that shows respect
for the human being.


How are they being disrespected? By people making dark jokes about them?


That if organs are sold for
any reason above the actual
cost of removal and transport,
to include the middle man,
that the family be given the
money and that no agency,
would be allowed to
make any profit from the organs.


This stipulation is redundant.


In the case of abortion, if
a cadaver is sold for an amount in
excess of the cost of the abortion,
then the abortion should be
provided free of charge and the
woman given any funds in excess
of the actual cost of the removal
of the fetus.

The family members
of organ donors should also receive
any and all funds paid above the
actual cost to remove the organs
and transport them to the new
location.


Um... You just redefined the word "donate" to "sell". We don't sell our organs to medical research when we die, we donate them. There is nothing given back to the person donating. This suggestion is absurd.


There should be strict
auditing of these funds to insure
that no one except for the family
receives any excess
money from the organ trade for
research or donation.


Why?


I suggested this in order to respect:

the family of deceased organ donors
in their time of grief;
and
the mother of the fetus and any
emotional pain she may be
suffering from making the decision
to abort.


This whole bill is unnecessary.


I've already had one conservative
shoot this down as not ending abortion.

Are you going to shoot it down as
being too restrictive and an attempt
to end abortion?


I'm going to shoot it down because it is ridiculous and unnecessary. The laws on the books are good enough and working as intended. Conservatives are only pretending they aren't. Now you are turning around and adding another dimension to this game of make believe by trying to add more bureaucracy onto the government. Awesome...


Or will both sides remain so locked into
their positions that the fetus/donor
will never be accorded any respect
and these atrocities will keep happening
to both fetus' and to adult organ donors.


What say you?


I'm not quite sure why this "respect" thing is necessary for dead tissue. Especially when the dead thing isn't related in any way to the person working on it. That's like demanding that the garbage man delicately handle the television you threw out because you have a lot of sentimental value for it.
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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 10:03 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw




I'm withdrawing my organ donation
from my drivers license immediately
if that is how society has decided it is moral,
right and ethical to
treat organ donors/tissue donors
and to not accord any respect the grieving family.



I did the same when my Driver's License renewal came up. I get the feeling that some medical professionals make critical decisions based on whether or not the suffering patient is an organ donor, prioritizing to save the organs rather than allowing a "dignified death" with family members.

Both my parents did the same thing, too. When their death was imminent, the hospital staff asked us family members if we would like to donate their organs, since my parents left no instructions, one way or the other. We knew they did want to, as long as they got to die in a timely manner and with dignity. I have the same arrangement with my daughter.

After I'm dead, I don't care if interns and med students get a laugh or release some tension joking around with my remains. If any part of me is aware at that point, I will gladly suck up the youth and the laughter!

I'm glad that science can extend my life, through tissue and organ donation for the benefit of another living human being, but don't rush my death to make it happen, that's all.




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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen


Cash is King.





Why do you leave out the part of that law that talks about receiving money for transportation and storage? It is NOT a very long law.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: grandmakdw

What do mean specifically by "respect and dignity"?

So you don't want companies like Stem Express to make any profit? What about the research companies? I guess funeral homes shouldn't make a profit either, since they deal with cadavers? So, you want the mothers and families to profit financially instead? How is that better? How would that not encourage unscrupulous people from profiting off of donated fetuses and organ donors?

Free abortions - I don't have a problem with that.


Not to use the body parts to pull jokes on colleagues.

Not to speak in public about the cadaver or family and to preserve the families privacy.

Not to pile up body parts like it was the holocaust and pick through them like Mengle might.

I think you know what I mean by respect and dignity.

Mothers and families won't profit,
in the negotiations for "price",
the families will be shafted as they have been
and as they will be, this is to stop the overpricing
as a hidden profit.

Unscrupulous people are already profiting off the sale of organs and tissue,
the middle men in the organ trade make a huge profit, you have seen that
PP actually does "over estimate" the actual cost of removal and pockets the
excess.

I said profit from the organs and tissue itself.
There is nothing in there about the research companies
making a profit from their findings as a result of the research itself.

And if PP is accidentally overpricing and keeping the excess
they should make the abortion free and not charge the mother
hundreds of dollars, close to a thousand I think;

and then charge for the body parts, saying it was the
cost of removal from the mother, when the mother already
paid for the removal.



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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 10:19 AM
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I suggest that all you people against fetal research, if you should develop any disease that a cure or treatment has been found using the research well..

Don't accept the treatment and accept your fate of death.

Who knows maybe you have had treatment that was a result of said research? What does that make you?

Or even if your kids become ill, but could be cured of death due to the research. I suggest you just sit there and watch your kids die. Does that work for you?
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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I am not in the least surprised at your response.

It is actually what I expected, a hardened
heart and a hardened stance,
not open to compromise or even
acknowledging that there is any
way to stop the horrific behavior
going on in PP.

Because you refuse
to see the behavior as sickening,
because you somehow,
think that by saying there
needs to be some semblance
of humanity toward the fetus,
will somehow mean the end of
abortion.

So I understand and
actually expected the responses
I am getting.

I was hoping at least one of you
would be willing to see that there
might be a solution other than
ending abortion
or continuing to allow this
Mengle like behavior at PP.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 10:29 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

You didn't define what "respect" or "dignity" mean legally though. You know how lawyer speak works. EVERY word has to have a specific definition. There is no room for vagueness with law. So start there. Let's see what you mean be dignity and respect then we can see if those are acceptable practices to force doctors to adhere to.

By the way, I could care less what people do with my dead body. If my family wanted to wrap me in newspapers and throw me in a ditch to save money, I wouldn't care. I'm an organ donor though (so they don't have to worry about that) and I hope the guy removing my organs makes the darkest jokes possible about them. Maybe I can get a Scary Movie joke when he opens my lungs and he pretends like my lungs are exhuming old smoke I inhaled.
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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: SoulSurfer
yes with livers so small that blood clots are mistaken for them!!!!
this latest video doesn't really have that much about Planned Parenthood in it...
but here's a question for you!

the STEM EXPRESS representative states that the number of sources that they get the donations from is in the triple digits...
if I remember right, planned parenthood only has three clinics involved in fetal donations. So why isn't the 90+ other clinics that are involved not being dragged in the mud?

the fact of the matter is that most of the "disrespect" for the fetus' remains is in the form of words spoken by the cmp gang!

and yes, whenever I see someone judging women who they do not even know for taking an action that they have no idea why they are taking it....
that is going to be my response!!
according to the catholic church, and it seems some republican right wingers, it's a bigger sin to save the live of a pregnant child than it is to rape the child to begin with!
the idea that an unborn's right to live trumps the mothers right to live is damaging to women!




Halappanavar's husband, Praveen, said doctors at University Hospital Galway in western Ireland determined she was miscarrying within hours of her hospitalization for severe pain on Sunday, Oct. 21. He said over the next three days, doctors refused their requests for an abortion to combat her surging pain and fading health.

The hospital declined to say whether doctors believed Halappanavar's blood poisoning could have been reversed had she received an abortion rather than waiting for the fetus to die on its own. In a statement, it described its own investigation into the death, and a parallel probe by the government's Health Service Executive, as "standard practice" whenever a pregnant woman dies in a hospital. The Galway coroner also planned a public inquest.

"Savita was really in agony. She was very upset, but she accepted she was losing the baby," he told The Irish Times in a telephone interview from Belgaum, southwest India. "When the consultant came on the ward rounds on Monday morning, Savita asked if they could not save the baby, could they induce to end the pregnancy? The consultant said: `As long as there is a fetal heartbeat, we can't do anything.'

"Again on Tuesday morning ... the consultant said it was the law, that this is a Catholic country. Savita said: `I am neither Irish nor Catholic' but they said there was nothing they could do," Praveen Halappanavar said.

He said his wife vomited repeatedly and collapsed in a restroom that night, but doctors wouldn't terminate the fetus because its heart was still beating.

The fetus died the following day and its remains were surgically removed. Within hours, Savita was placed under sedation in intensive care with blood poisoning and he was never able to speak with her again, her husband said. By Saturday, her heart, kidneys and liver had stopped working. She was pronounced dead early Sunday, Oct. 28.

www.huffingtonpost.com...



because it just oh so more respectful and full of dignity to let a woman suffer for a week refusing her treatment till the baby everyone knows won't live dies!!!!



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw


One thing you guys don't get,
this
will not stop abortion,
it is not a
call to end abortion,

to demand that the fully formed
fetus be treated with compassion
respect and dignity and the
organ donor to be treated with
compassion, respect and dignity.

This will NOT end organ donation,

and it will NOT end abortion,

to insist that cadavers be treated
in a manner that is respectful
to the grieving family or the
mother in emotional pain.


Really
asking that people respect grieving families
is a concept you want to argue over?

Really
asking that people respect the mother
who made a difficult and emotional decision
to abort is a concept you want to argue over?

PC, thought police?
To expect that families and mothers feeling be treated with respect?
Really?

I can't believe that most of you
don't understand the concept of respect,
you certainly have shown in other threads
that you have a firm grasp of the concept of respect.

I also can't believe that some of you expect
to be treated badly and your loved ones bodies
to be treated badly if you donate their
organs. Really?

Or are you so entrenched in the false idea
that even acknowledging that this practice
of disrespect and disregard for
the organ donor or fetus
if ended would
end abortion (it won't).

It would simply
be respectful of the mothers and the families.

And come on, I know that all of you know what respect and dignity is,
even though we disagree on a lot, all of you have shown in other
threads on racism, poverty etc. that you know what respect and
dignity toward another human being is.





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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 10:38 AM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw

Not to use the body parts to pull jokes on colleagues.


What, not PC enough for you? I thought you had a sense of humor, you absurdist, you.


Not to speak in public about the cadaver or family and to preserve the families privacy.


I've never in any of the PP videos, heard anyone mention any specific names of any families, have you? I think there are already HIPAA privacy laws in existence.


Not to pile up body parts like it was the holocaust and pick through them like Mengle might.


I've yet to see evidence of a "pile" of body parts. But I can tell you they aren't going to put each fetus liver in its own velvet case before extracting the necessary cells.


I think you know what I mean by respect and dignity.


I can tell you what I mean by respect and dignity - that the dead are allowed to save the lives of others, instead of rotting in a casket somewhere. There is little dignity in decomposition.


Mothers and families won't profit,
in the negotiations for "price",
the families will be shafted as they have been
and as they will be, this is to stop the overpricing
as a hidden profit.


Planned Parenthood is non-profit. Their annual reports have been audited. Families should not be given money simply for donating organs and fetal tissue, as that could promote unscrupulous behavior.


you have seen that PP actually does "over estimate" the actual cost of removal and pockets the
excess.


No, actually I haven't seen that at all. Where do you see them over estimating the actual cost of removal?



And if PP is accidentally overpricing and keeping the excess
they should make the abortion free and not charge the mother
hundreds of dollars, close to a thousand I think;

and then charge for the body parts, saying it was the
cost of removal from the mother, when the mother already
paid for the removal.




Can you itemize exactly what it costs Planned Parenthood to perform abortions, and store/process/transfer the fetal tissue for research purposes - verses what they get paid?



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

To be honest this sounds like a violation of free speech and an ACTUAL political correctness law. So you are going one step further than what the PC brigade always does and actually involving the government in your quest to get people to stop saying things you find distasteful.

I mean really THINK about what you are suggesting. You are trying to make a law that gives the government the authority to punish people for saying things about dead people that may upset their family members. That is a textbook violation of the First Amendment.

This is why I find this thread to be so hilarious. You guys are making a PC argument and don't even realize it. Though, you are starting to scare me by suggesting we strip rights from people.
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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: grandmakdw

To be honest this sounds like a violation of free speech and an ACTUAL political correctness law. So you are going one step further than the what the PC brigade always does and actually involving the government in your quest to get people to stop saying things you find distasteful.

I mean really THINK about what you are suggesting. You are trying to make a law that gives the government the authority to punish people for saying things about dead people that may upset their family members. That is a textbook violation of the First Amendment.


Yep you are right it is so very PC

to ask that people respect grieving families
how gauche

(see my post above)

I capitulate, we must treat grieving families
and their loved ones with the greatest disrespect
in order for research to continue,
without total and complete disregard and
disrespect for cadavers
and for grieving families
and for the mothers who make the
difficult decision to abort
why, there would be no research at all.

It is so very PC
to take into account the mother who made
a difficult decision to abort,
if we took her feelings into account
and treated the fetus with dignity and respect,
why all medical research would come to a screeching halt.

What was I thinking?

You are all right, we must continue to be disrespectful
to the cadavers and to insist that their loves ones
just acknowledge that the cadavers will be treated
with the utmost disrespect possible in order to
further research,
if we dared introduce the concept
of respect well, really
all medical research would come to a screeching halt.

You are all correct. I bow to your wisdom.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 10:55 AM
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well, you can always agree with whatever they say and preserve your rights...
ya know, you're either for us or against us...

the gov't is never gonna get doctors, nurses, ect to not act disrespectful to their patients when they think they can get away with it. god, the same crap happens in the operating room with living patients!!
but of course, those living patients shouldn't be endowed with the same rights as the unborn, so guess that doesn't matter.

like it or not, respect seems to be something that has pretty much vanished in today's world. is there any respect when the right talks about the poor visable? what about those low wage earners, they don't deserve respect either it seems, and well our neighbors, people we pass on the street?
god, have someone cut you off in quest of a parking spot at the grocery store and see how much respect is shown!!!



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 10:57 AM
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There you go, being an absurdist again.




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