New Planned Parenthood Video: Baby Parts Buyer Jokes About Shipping Severed Heads

a reply to: eletheia

just people who found it easier to alter their beliefs a little than it was to face what may have been some pretty bad consequences of carrying the child to term...

weather or not they are still taking a strong anti-abortion stance (heck maybe they weren't before) but now making an exception to the rule for situations such as theirs well is a something only they can answer really.

we always think that the bad things will happen to someone else... and I think that christians tend to believe that they have a little extra protection in that area. but when it comes down to it, most seem to have a hard time believing in miracles, especially if it's their lives or their way of life that are on the line.

heck scott walker will take the choice away from women weather or not to carry a fetus to term after 20 weeks, with no exceptions if I read it right, but well, even though he feels planned parenthood is demonic as these videos supposedly prove...he will probably find that the lose of so many million dollar or more companies as being too much to bear so he more than likely won't sign a bill putting restrictions on the fetal research...

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originally posted by: RobinB022
I was seriously considering donating my body to science [as I have numerous illness' and thought maybe I could help in some type of research-? ... So for his sake I've changed my mind.

Well, isn't that selfish? It's MUCH more important to me to possibly help future generations than to save whatever "dignity" is owed to the body parts of my lifeless corpse.

Science and research has a lot to lose when people are being taped [edited or not] disrespecting the dead.

The ACTORS from CMP were the ones telling the jokes, NOT the people being filmed!!! Besides, have you EVER said something jokingly in PRIVATE that you wouldn't want the world to hear? Or are you perfect?

a reply to: dawnstar

678 UW-Madison faculty sign letter on fetal tissue bill 678 UW-Madison faculty sign letter on fetal tissue bill

One widely used cell line known as HEK293 is used in nearly 100 labs on the UW-Madison campus alone and is critical for flu vaccine development and production, the letter says. "There is no suitable substitute for the HEK293 cell. To attempt to find a replacement for these or for cells derived in the future, in all their diverse applications, would cost billions and risk untold numbers of lives." As originally written, the legislation proposed by Rep. André Jacque (R-De Pere) would criminalize the use of cells derived from human fetal tissue. It is already a crime to profit from the sale of fetal tissue, and abortion clinics say no tissue transfers of any kind are happening in Wisconsin. The bill would go further than existing law and ban donations of such tissues or research on long-standing tissue lines — an alarming development for many medical researchers.

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So let's see if the republicans find their horror of the fetal tissue industry worthy enough to kill the vaccine and other medical values of the research not to mention, the millions of dollars of business it offers the state.

I bet they won't!!!

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Actually I think that was a little uncalled for...
the funeral arrangements should be made to make the death as easy as possible for the loved ones remaining, if this would cause her son undue stress in a time that will be plenty stressful to begin with, well. I think she is right in her decision.

a reply to: dawnstar

Well, I don't usually sit around waiting for my opinion to be "called for". There's ALWAYS the chance that someone is going to be less-than perfectly ethical in any given situation.

I didn't say she was "wrong". I think - if she feels that way, it's actually the right decision for her.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Actually I think that was a little uncalled for...
the funeral arrangements should be made to make the death as easy as possible for the loved ones remaining, if this would cause her son undue stress in a time that will be plenty stressful to begin with, well. I think she is right in her decision.

Here I am speaking from experience ...

I was 21 years old (many years ago) when my then just over 2yr old daughter

died from a congenital disorder. To say I was distraught is an under statement.

The doctors wanted my permission to perform an autopsy, I was in too much

pain to agree to what my young mind looked at as desecration of her tiny

body.

The medical staff were very kind and the doctor concerned spent time with

me talking about the condition and that it would most probably in the future

prevent other parents from going through what I was going through. He assured

me that her body would be treated with the utmost respect.

That is why I agreed to a post-mortem.

When the undertakers brought her body to the house... I could see that was

her 'body' but only her body that she had used while she was here. Her

spirit had gone....

Now many years later when I hear of what doctors can do I think her short

life on this earth was not in vain.

If she had been born in this day and age.... she may have lived after a heart

transplant.

a reply to: dawnstar

I almost hate to say this, but if she or her son thinks there will be no chance of funeral home workers ever making any private jokes about her body...

I knew a guy who worked at a funeral home, and he told the story of when he just started working there, there was a dead person he was moving, when all of a sudden the corpse "passed gas". Scared him half to death, he dropped the body on the floor, and had to pick it up and put it back before his boss came back in the room. Did he tell the family of the dead person anything about this? Hell no, they never knew anything about it. Was it a funny story? Hell yes.

I am just speaking about my personal feelings here, and well to each their own. but, well, I would take the feelings into more consideration than my own, the reasoning why they felt the way they do would be secondary to me...and quickly dismissed. I mean I am dead, it wouldn't matter to me one way or the other really, but I wouldn't want to put more stress and grief on them by forcing them to endure funeral arrangements that they were deeply against.

I know this is obvious, but, is it more respectful to discard fetuses like garbage?

That seems ... wrong to me.

Also, for several in the thread. Many of us are both against abortion and are in favor of Choice.

Abortion is ... horrible.

We, as a culture, should do everything within our considerable power to prevent abortion from ever happening.

Education, birth control, heck FREE birth control ... I have no problem with "my taxdollars" being used for that.

But we cannot, as a free people, have the State take possession of a woman's body and control what she does with it.

That is indentured servitude.

Ergo, against abortion, for Choice. For Freedom. For keeping the State in its lane.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

I will not. It's wrong and how they are going about this are ghoulish

I'm sorry for those whose internal compass is so broken they can't see that

Solitary confinement is also ghoulish, though. War is ghoulish. Depriving others of basic human needs like home, food, water, clothing is ghoulish.

Plus , why are you buying into this sensationalism?
Do you really not know that the pro-lifers have been making sensationalized horror ads and photoshopped propaganda for, like, 10 years now (at least)?

Don't let them push your buttons!

a reply to: windword

After I'm dead, I don't care if interns and med students get a laugh or release some tension joking around with my remains. If any part of me is aware at that point, I will gladly suck up the youth and the laughter!

I'm glad that science can extend my life, through tissue and organ donation for the benefit of another living human being, but don't rush my death to make it happen, that's all.

Great post, ww.

The only ONLY problem I have with organ donation is when it's applied to 'so-called' decedents (brain-dead) who are still in fact alive, and capable of feeling pain, but not given anesthesia or euthanized prior to the knife. The jury is still out on that one.

One of the things I despise about the Chinese culture (whether rumor or not, and I'd gladly be debunked on this) is how they perform "vivisection" on their 'prisoners'. Cutting them apart while they are conscious and alive... WTF?

Embryos are not sentient.

I don't have 'organ donor' on my license either - but it's not because those working in the field makes jokes (to cope with the stress of their jobs...EVERY professional does that). It's because I know that a 'brain-dead' "donor" is all too often cut apart without being "dead", and it is assumed they don't feel pain.

Now - having said that, an embryo prior to 12 weeks is not developed enough to feel pain.

And - that's all I have to say. An embryo - a human embryo - is not viable in the first trimester.

Brain-dead adults (or kids) might still feel pain. The science on that part is still being developed.

originally posted by: RobinB022
a reply to: grandmakdw

If one finds this ethical and moral
and they have no problem donating
their body for an organ donation
and having the doctors laughing
at your body, and laughing over
your body and making jokes about
your body. Then you have a different
set of ethics than I do.

This is important and has the potential to make a big difference in the amount of people considering donation of their bodies to science.

I was seriously considering donating my body to science [as I have numerous illness' and thought maybe I could help in some type of research-?] But my eldest son can't stand the idea that my body could be disrespected. For years I had my mind made up, but I do have to consider my sons' thoughts, after all, he'll be the one alive and left to deal with his thoughts.. I'd be dead and have nothing to worry about. So for his sake I've changed my mind.

Science and research has a lot to lose when people are being taped [edited or not] disrespecting the dead.

don't do it, they might hook your brain up to life support , not that we have any idea what happens to our body parts anyway, who know what they do or are capable of.

First almost fully-formed human brain grown in lab, researchers claim

Brain grown in lab

They say their brain also contains a spinal cord, signalling circuitry and even a retina. They think, think it is not conscious.

Cecile Richards, president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, admitted in an 11-page letter Thursday that its affiliates have accepted payments ranging from $45 to $60 “per tissue specimen” from abortions, but said that they were reimbursements to cover costs, which federal law allows.


Planned Parenthood admits it manipulates rules on fetal organ sales to maximize profit

Any normal thinking person will "see" the wide open, un-audited "cash only" potential.

Scrumptious indeed.

a reply to: xuenchen

Any thinking person? Umm no, what you're doing is spinning this into a fantasy. How many times can it be said, even in the letter above, that the fees cover costs. If PP was as nefarious as you so wish them to be then they would charge waaaaaay more than $45-$60.

Bottom line, PP has been cleared of any wrong doing so why don't you take some ATS advice and deny ignorance.

a reply to: Swills

Shuuuurrr it's "Just" covering costs.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Swills

Shuuuurrr it's "Just" covering costs.

How much does a cotton swab and aspirin cost at a hospital? What are the costs and why are they so high?

A Tylenol pill for $15? Or $53 per pair of gloves? Here, a medical billing advocate reveals some of the crazy costs of some very basic medical goods.

Seems like $45-$60 dollars for a fetal liver or a heart is a pretty good deal.

a reply to: xuenchen

Keep living in la la land while reading only super conservative news sites that fit into the dream world that PP is selling dead babies for money. That 40-60 dollars is sooooo gonna make them super duper rich.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777


don't do it, they might hook your brain up to life support , not that we have any idea what happens to our body parts anyway, who know what they do or are capable of.

First almost fully-formed human brain grown in lab, researchers claim

Brain grown in lab

They say their brain also contains a spinal cord, signalling circuitry and even a retina. They think, think it is not conscious.

What's that saying?

*A little knowledge is a dangerous thing*....



# Brain death is not a 'coma' A patient in a coma continues to have brain

activity. When brain death occurs all brain function ceases. When brain

death occurs there is no chance of recovery what so ever.

When someone is brain dead there is no feeling of pain or suffering#


www.lifepoint-sc.org...

a reply to: windword

Sounds like it costs more to keep those on a shelf.

Inventory and purchasing "specialists" are expensive !!

In a discovery hearing Friday, counsel for defendants notified the court that all defendants, including the Center for Medical Progress (CMP) and Biomax, plan to plead the Fifth Amendment in response to the pending discovery requests in order to refrain from self-incrimination.

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information on the case can be found at:

www.cand.uscourts.gov...

During the taped meeting Dr. Nucatola expressly stated that “nobody should be selling tissue. That’s just not the goal here.” This statement was omitted by Defendants from their excerpted tape.

Ten times during the conversation, Dr. Nucatola said Planned Parenthood would not sell tissue or profit in any way from tissue donations. All ten instances were cut out of the video released by the Defendants.

At one point, Dr. Nucatola stated that reimbursement costs for a tissue specimen could range from $30 to $100. This statement was immediately clarified by Dr. Nucatola, who explained that the reimbursement amount could only be based on the clinic’s costs, which is lawful. Dr. Nucatola explained: “It just has to do with space issues, are you sending someone there who’s going to be doing everything, is there shipping involved, is somebody going to have to take it out… [I]t’s really just about if anyone were ever to ask them, well what do you do for this $60, how can you justify that? …. So it needs to be justifiable.” This important passage was omitted entirely by Defendants in their effort to smear lawful tissue donation programs and Dr. Nucatola.

Dr. Nucatola repeatedly stated that Planned Parenthood affiliates do not profit from tissue donation. For example, she says: “To them, this is not a service they should be making money from, it’s something they should be able to offer this to their patients, in a way that doesn’t impact them”; “affiliates are not looking to make money by doing this. They’re looking to serve their patients and just make it not impact their bottom line”; “we’re not looking to make money from this, our goal is to keep access available”; and “this is not a new revenue stream that affiliates are looking at, this is a way to offer the patient the service that they want, do good for the medical community and still have access.” Not a single one of these comments was included in Defendants’ excerpted and misleading video. They were purposely cut to create the false impression that Dr. Nucatola was saying the exact opposite of what she actually said.

Nearly all of Dr. Nucatola’s references to “tissue donation” are deleted from the tape.

The video was cut to convey the impression that nearly all Planned Parenthood affiliates have tissue donation programs. To the contrary, just a small number of affiliates have such programs, to help women and families who wish to donate tissue to advance life-saving medical research.

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on page 14 of the complaint that can be found following the links on the page I linked to above...
it's a pdf file....