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Chris Christie Ties Heroin Epidemic To Obama

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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: TsukiLunar
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Everything would be solved if everyone had a gun, all kids pray to God in school and we deport those damned illegals. No the leftist elite wants this to be drug ridden country! Of course this is Obama's fault this is all designed to destroy Christian America turn us into a Muslim wasteland.

voting Chris Christie/Trump who's with me??

I do like your posts. Curious to see who answers and what they say.




posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Well your ideas on addiction are quite old fashioned and outdated:




The Likely Cause of Addiction Has Been Discovered, And It Is Not What You Think
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Myself I think your desire to perpetuate poverty is even worse, than your ideas about addiction.
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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 03:26 PM
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a reply to: reldra

Interesting. Look at it like this, nobody who has aids is out robbing, and stealing from people so they can get more aids. Like people with diabetes arent running around selling bags of diabetes so that people with diabetes can get more diabetes. So the statement that drug addiction is a "disease" is misleading and wrong.

Nobody holds a gun to your head and forces you to do drugs. It is a concious choice that is made by the addict to use.

People with diseases already have the disease and don't have a choice to just not have it.

You CAN choose to not do drugs. See the difference? Calling "choice" a disease is where it all goes wrong.


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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: AutOmatIc

Unless your a doctor or you have studied the problem of addiction, you would know better that post your opinion.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: AutOmatIc

This is a fairly recent post here at ATS, you should take time to read it and the linked source, by doing so you may educate yourself on the modern thinking on drug addiction.



The Likely Cause of Addiction Has Been Discovered, And It Is Not What You Think
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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

Lol well pardon me for saying so but thats a bunch of B.S. And I should know because I used to be an addict, and can tell you that it all boils down to one thing...making the choice to either do the drug or to not do it. I didn't say it was an easy choice or that if you choose to do drugs there aren't repercussions for your actions, but the bottom line is that it is a choice you make.

You have to physically swallow those pills. You have to make the effort to smoke pot, or to put that needle in your vein, or to snort lines. It takes effort to do those things. And you make a choice to do that. You can stop.

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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: AutOmatIc




I didn't say it was an easy choice or that if you choose to do drugs there aren't repercussions for your actions, but the bottom line is that it is a choice you make.

No that is a choice you made!


Now how could I or anyone else possibly argue with a self proclaimed addict.

Edit: But was your decision Obamas fault?


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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

To do drugs is a concious choice that all addicts make.

Nobody is tying them down and forcibly injecting them with (insert drug here). Or shoving pills down their throats. I have been proudly sober now for 5 years and it is a choice that one has to make, and one I am happy I made.

And lol no Obama had absolutely nothing to do with my choices.


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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 04:01 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Perhaps Mr. Christie should peruse the following?


www.globalresearch.ca...

cnsnews.com...

www.exposingtruth.com...

When 'The Taliban' was in-charge look at what they grew. Since 2001 look at it grow.. If Your IRA showed the same growth it would be "easy sailing"...

Re-cap: "Yes, Virginia it is EASIER to grow opium in a war zone..."

namaste



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 04:02 PM
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Just so I'm clear:

No drug laws -
No immigration enforcement -
No guns for the citizens -

You expect that to last how long exactly?



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

And I am tying the current doughnut fascination (i.e. licking of doughnuts by Arianna Grande) to Christie's obvious mass consumption of said items.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 04:32 PM
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Edit: a reply to RELDRA.

That's a very very good point. Star.
I'm sorry for your loss..
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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 05:03 PM
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and if anyone disagrees with him he will just shut down all the bridges?
and eat all the hamburgers?



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 05:17 PM
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We could probably place some blame on the Afghan war which obama isn't really blame free for.

But ya doesn't surprise me at all that someone wants to put it all on obama.

Because heroin didn't exist before barry took office right?
a reply to: JimNasium

Ah, you beat me to the punch!

With sources to boot!
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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 05:21 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
Can we then say the same about the war on poverty?

Or is that too cruel to cut?

And drug addiction is a strange disease. It's the only one I know you have to volunteer yourself to get.


I disagree, there's a lot , and i mean a lot, of really shady dealers out there that sell drugs as one thing when it's really another. There's been tons of reports of methamphetamine ending up in ecstasy pills. Both are ampehtamines but one is incredibly addictive to the dopamine system. Kids buying racemic drugs from drug dealers have no clue if they're getting what they're told or something else without a test-kit and tons of research. So yes, while the majority of people do willingly dance with the devil of addiction, there's also other people out there who are just being taken for a ride by a dealer.

Not to mention there's also the bulk of legal dealers out there too -- doctors. They get paid by how often a patient sees them. A kid addicted to legal amphetamines is going to be a monthly source of income. Heck, i left my Dr's office a few weeks ago (went to ask for something to help me sleep due to work stress) and his answer to was to prescribe me a highly-addictive anti-psychotic, even though i've spent months telling him "No psychiatry meds". As i left his office his words were "We'll get our monies worth out of ya yet"

Not the first Dr that i have seen operate this way. Hell, i went through a 2yr amphetamine addiction, just listening to my Dr and taking the pills. The withdrawals when i quit - lasted months. There's no way i could have worked a job at the same time. The first month was just sleeping 16 - 20 hours a day... FROM ADDERALL!! There's addicts that get started through the legal system and switch to street drugs when their insurance stops covering, or as stated above, they're unable to acquire their drugs through the legal system. Not everyone chooses addiction on their own, and once it has you, there's always a period of stopping one's life to recover from the damage done by addiction. In the US we have a really, really, really, poor support system for recovering addicts.

Back to the OP: Christie had my attention years ago, but the interstate BS and his ties to the prison system, while pushing the war on drugs, has me at a strong No for him. Just another crony capitalist.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 05:22 PM
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How anyone could miss the coincidental rise in a particular drugs use after our military gets involved in an area is beyond me.

Heroin was a big problem in the 60's and 70's (Vietnam). Coke was a problem in the 70's and 80's (man, we were all up in Latin/South America doing ops in just about every country outside of Cuba). Heroin again now (Afghanistan has had some bumper crops while under our green thumb).

Christie is an idiot. Not that this is indicative of him being an idiot. But he's an idiot nonetheless.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I didn't know the history of the previous drug outbreaks in correlation to a war but ya this heroin outbreak seems to line up quite nicely with our activity in Afghan.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 05:25 PM
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a reply to: AutOmatIc

Congratulations to you on getting clean.

What were you addicted to again?



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 05:36 PM
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a reply to: 200Plus

Who said any of that?

Well maybe someone said no drug laws but the other two I have not seen.

If we are going to use the "laws don't work on guns" rhetoric to stop the passage of them, the same people should be saying that about drugs.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 05:52 PM
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a reply to: MDpvc
Non violent drug offenders make much better slaves than hardened criminals. Slavery is still legal in the united states, read the 13th Amendment carefully and the for profit private prisons are making great money as a result.
To fix this problem, the US voters need to recognize the problem. Unfortunately too many fall for the BS and fail to see the failure of the War on Drugs and all the propaganda that is pushed to support it.

Cristie is just taking cheaps shots against Barry better, the sad thing is there is an alarming number of voters who actually this crap.


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