South and North Korea 'agree deal to reduce tensions'

Common sense prevails and a deal has been reached between the North and South , no details on what the deal involves as news has just broken but it's understood North Korea will express regret for the injured soldiers.

South and North Korea have agreed a deal to defuse tensions after a series of recent border confrontations, South Korea's Yonhap news agency says.
Both country's militaries have been on alert after a brief exchange of fire at the border last Thursday.
The North had threatened to use force to stop propaganda broadcasts by the South, started after two of its soldiers were injured by a landmine.
High-level negotiators have been meeting since Saturday to agree a deal.
Yonhap reported that the deal, to be announced later on Monday, would see North Korea express "regret" over the landmine incident earlier this month.
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Aw good, Kim has calmed down after his little temper tantrum

originally posted by: gortex
After a few days of frantic Doom porning common sense prevails and a deal has been reached between the North and South , no details on what the deal involves as news has just broken but it's understood North Korea will express regret for the injured soldiers.

South and North Korea have agreed a deal to defuse tensions after a series of recent border confrontations, South Korea's Yonhap news agency says.
Both country's militaries have been on alert after a brief exchange of fire at the border last Thursday.
The North had threatened to use force to stop propaganda broadcasts by the South, started after two of its soldiers were injured by a landmine.
High-level negotiators have been meeting since Saturday to agree a deal.
Yonhap reported that the deal, to be announced later on Monday, would see North Korea express "regret" over the landmine incident earlier this month.
www.bbc.co.uk...

I would be shocked if NK actually expresses any regret over anything. They are still, as of this morning, building military forces along SK borders. There are still 50 submarines unaccounted for and the just deployed 20 hovercraft. I can't see NK backing down on this....they have been barking too long and will lose too much respect in the eyes of their people over this if true.

Of course this could just be the beginning of Kim ordering the execution of his top military officials in order to show his power and begin the saber rattling all over again with SK.

Until they have the 50 subs back in the docks, I am not holding out for this "agreement" to be upheld.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

The source has been updated with this.

Yonhap reported that the deal, to be announced later, would see North Korea express "regret" over the landmine incident earlier this month.
In return, it said South Korea would stop the loudspeaker broadcasts that were resumed after an 11-year hiatus, in apparent retaliation for the landmine attack.

I think everyone involved wants a peaceful outcome , I suspect any troop movements were more for show and possibly internal consumption , Kim is still early into his leadership and needs to show he as good if not better than his father in dealing with the enemy.

What? How shocking is this?!?!

Please note my shocked face:

a reply to: gortex

...and we're surprised, why?

The Korea's have been doing this for nearly three quarters of a century, since the truce.

It's not going to end anytime soon. Maybe when the Kim Dynasty is removed, and less hard-line politicians are in charge in the south, it'll need to be both at the same time...or it's simply not going to happen.

Or the outside allies go away...

...like that's going to happen.

Rhetorical bombast, sometimes accompanied by actual bombs, is what's happened, is happening, will happen, until reunification.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Vasa Croe

The source has been updated with this.

Yonhap reported that the deal, to be announced later, would see North Korea express "regret" over the landmine incident earlier this month.
In return, it said South Korea would stop the loudspeaker broadcasts that were resumed after an 11-year hiatus, in apparent retaliation for the landmine attack.

I think everyone involved wants a peaceful outcome , I suspect any troop movements were more for show and possibly internal consumption , Kim is still early into his leadership and needs to show he as good if not better than his father in dealing with the enemy.

According to a reporter that I follow on Twitter, nothing was mentioned about the missing subs, and what is being reported is not confirmed yet as they have not made a formal announcement on the agreement.

Either way, I am not holding my breath on this with those subs still missing, 1 million new NK army recruits, and hovercraft just being deployed today. That is a lot of movement for nothing to happen....I can see this being a sneaky way for NK to catch SK off guard.

a reply to: gortex

Yea why is the north "expressing regret" over something you proposed in the other North Korean thread to have been contrived and a conspiracy from the south in order to war with the north.

The truth is a Korean conflict is a extremely deadly one and they do not want the conflict to occur, the problem is North Korea is going to keep provocations policy and eventually once it get ICBMs they will likely leverage those weapons daily to get what they want.

which will eventually cause war, and an even deadlier war than now. No body wants war, but this regime must go one way or another they are a regional threat now, what will they be in ten years?

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: gortex

Yea why is the north "expressing regret" over something you proposed in the other North Korean thread to have been contrived and a conspiracy from the south in order to war with the north.

The truth is a Korean conflict is a extremely deadly one and they do not want the conflict to occur, the problem is North Korea is going to keep provocations policy and eventually once it get ICBMs they will likely leverage those weapons daily to get what they want.

which will eventually cause war, and an even deadlier war than now. No body wants war, but this regime must go one way or another they are a regional threat now, what will they be in ten years?

They already have capable ICBM's, even according to the US government....they also have SLBM's and there are 50 missing subs right now.....so.......

Source

The U.S. commander in South Korea said Thursday that he believes North Korea has the ability to fit a nuclear warhead to a long-range missile capable of hitting the U.S. mainland.
"I believe they've had the time and the capability to miniaturize" a nuclear weapon to arm North Korea's new KN-08 intercontinental ballistic missiles, Army Gen. Curtis M. "Mike" Scaparrotti told the Senate Armed Services Committee (SASC).
Scaparrotti, commander of U.S. Forces Korea, said "we must assume they have that capability" of hitting the U.S. Adm. Samuel Locklear, head of the Pacific Command, also testified and agreed with Scaparrotti's assessment of North Korea's nuclear capabilities but said they had yet to test the KN-08.

a reply to: TechniXcality

Yea why is the north "expressing regret" over something you proposed in the other North Korean thread to have been contrived and a conspiracy from the south in order to war with the north.

I said they had shown no evidence that it was NK , which they hadn't.
NK expression of regret is just that , it isn't an admission.

a reply to: gortex

North Korea have agreed to a deal to defuse tensions

thats exactly what Hitler did before he invaded Czechoslovakia.

a reply to: gortex

Oh so it's still a conspiracy from the south orchestrated for tensions alone and to have marathon talks in a peace house for days. Are you serious?

It's not an admission, why all of this then? Why gortex why? I gotta step away from ats, when it's cheered to just Blame the west and it's ally's for every evil thing it gets silly real quick.

a reply to: TechniXcality

Oh so it's still a conspiracy from the south orchestrated for tensions alone and to have marathon talks in a peace house for days. Are you serious?

I haven't said anything about a conspiracy , I said it could have been an accident.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

If this sticks then it is absolutely wonderful news.
I don't buy into the idea that North Korea should be laughed at just because some die hard Bruce Willis fans think it so.
As a nuclear power, however developed or not that power is, anything at all that can stop escalation should be applauded.

The deal is official.

A joint statement said South Korea would stop the loudspeaker broadcasts at midday on Tuesday and the North would end its "semi-state of war".
Both countries have also agreed to work towards a resumption of reunions for families separated by the 1950-53 Korean War.
National security adviser Kim Kwan-jin, who led the negotiations for the South, said there would be follow-up talks to discuss a range of issues on improving ties
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originally posted by: gortex
The deal is official.

A joint statement said South Korea would stop the loudspeaker broadcasts at midday on Tuesday and the North would end its "semi-state of war".
Both countries have also agreed to work towards a resumption of reunions for families separated by the 1950-53 Korean War.
National security adviser Kim Kwan-jin, who led the negotiations for the South, said there would be follow-up talks to discuss a range of issues on improving ties
www.bbc.co.uk...

Not really officially ended until they stop the loudspeakers and the troops come home....and those missing 50 subs. Wondering if NK is going to pull a fast one though....using the time zone change they just made to make SK miss the mark on turning the loudspeakers off.

originally posted by: Jonjonj
If this sticks then it is absolutely wonderful news.

It's hardly wonderful news at all.

There's a hell of a lot of misconceptions about NK here, with people who still don't seem to get what this regime is about.

Externally, NK hasn't backed down in this, SK has.
NK making a statement of "regret" is not an admission of guilt or an apology.
However, even though this looks incredibly weak to the outside world for SK, it will look incredibly weak on the inside of NK for Kim Jong Un.

His generals are likely to be foaming at the mouth over this, especially on their day celebrating a national holiday putting military power before all else. This is basically a slap in the face to the NK military from their own "leader".

This is all about perceptions, and how they differ inside and outside of that country.
To people in NK this makes Kim look weak and pathetic.
To people outside it makes SK look weak and pathetic.
This doesn't serve anyone and only brings the immediate crisis to a pause.

NK is going to be extremely unstable for weeks, if not months. There's likely to be a lot of internal turmoil over this and the possibility for a lot more to come as each side loses credibility, security or trust.

SK won't be turning off those speakers until midday tomorrow, and only if everything goes according to plan.
In that time, Kim needs to deal with his generals and ensure that orders are followed, without him being killed by people who will now consider him to be a weak leader.

And, lets also remember that this is the furthest NK has ever gone in their actions toward the South. People here might be claiming that this is the same old thing they've been getting up to for years, but it just isn't the same no matter how much you want to think it is.

Because NK has taken this so far to the edge this time, they'll need to go further the next time. SK is going to do the same, no doubt after facing political slaps from their own people over showing weakness and backing down without an ACTUAL APOLOGY.

This is far from over, and anyone who thinks it is is incredibly naive.

a reply to: Rocker2013

In what way is this any different?

We've seen these "events" take place for the last sixty plus years. Soldiers shot/stabbed. Artillery barrages. A ship sunk. ...and many another "event". None of which lead to an escalation the next time...and there will be a next time unfortunately.

a reply to: Rocker2013

It's hardly wonderful news at all.

War averted , how is that not good news.

There's a hell of a lot of misconceptions about NK here, with people who still don't seem to get what this regime is about.

We know all to well what this regime is about , interventionism has led us to the world in which we now live , intervention over there could lead us to a world nobody wants to live in.

This is far from over, and anyone who thinks it is is incredibly naive.

Nobody thinks its over , anyone who's followed this game of cat and mouse over the years knows there will be a next time but this time is like the other times , peaceful resolution and NK can puff its chest out and show its people how important they are in the world.

South Korea has halted its propaganda broadcasts into North Korea.

Seoul had begun the loudspeaker broadcasts, which infuriate Pyongyang, after a landmine at the border injured two of its soldiers earlier this month.
The tensions bubbled over in a brief exchange of fire at the heavily guarded border last Thursday.
The deal was reached after the North, which initially denied planting the mine, agreed to express "regret".
South Korea's President Park Geun-hye said the deal "could serve as an occasion to resolve all inter-Korean issues through trust".
www.bbc.co.uk...

So no WW3 yet then.
Just goes to show how popular war or the threat of war is here , peace not so.