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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: ChesterJohn
Today I learned that the whole world is the East Coast of the US.
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
I recently read that according to Climate Change advocates that there would be an increase in severe storms, Hurricanes and other weather related phenomena. However, we saw less Tornadoes, less storms and now they are predicting less Hurricanes on the East coast.
www.reuters.com...
(Adds quote from forecaster Gerry Bell, details on last major hurricane and Superstorm Sandy) By David Adams May 27 The Atlantic hurricane season will be less active than usual this year due to cooler seas and a strong El Niño effect, the U.S. government weather forecaster said on Wednesday. The official "below-normal" forecast calls for six to 11 tropical storms this year, with three to six reaching hurricane status of 74-mile-per-hour (120 kph) winds, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said at a press conference in New Orleans. There may be as many as two major hurricanes with winds reaching at least 111 miles per hour.
El Nino consist of warmer waters and would in affect be breading ground for Hurricanes seeing they thrive on warm water, yet the prediction is down.
There is a below normal amount predicted for this year hurricane season.
Al Gore and the CC pundits have been telling us that severe weather patterns would emerge if nothing done by 2015 to reduce carbon dioxide emissions. Yet despite the reduction that has been implemented, which is very minimal, the patterns are lessoning.
Are the CC pundits correct?
Did we lower our emissions enough to reduce the severe storm predictions?
Or is CC science incorrect and as usual the just don't know?
In other news, August is expected to break a world wide heat record held by the previous record holder of this past July which broke the record held by this past June.
For what time period?
Lucky you. But that's not how it works. The statistics are based on the average temperatures across the planet. It was the warmest for the planet. So that means, while for you it might have been cooler, there are greater areas which have been warmer. Of course, you don't care about that.
So , I guess you could omit all the previous years before the 10 year span and say Georgia has broken heat records this year???
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: network dude
I must have missed it completely, where in the OP did anyone say it wasn't getting warmer?
ETA:
how long will it continue to warm? will storms continue to be less of a threat? Will the ice caps completely melt? Will the seas rise a few inches, or a few feet? How long will all that take?
There are models and predictions for all of this. Though it remains to be seen if the models will hold true. There may be some other variables we aren't accounting for.
There seem to be a lot of unanswered questions for something that we were told the science was settled on.
I think for now, it's perfectly acceptable to ask a few more questions about this subject, don't you?
Did I use the word "settled" when talking about this science? Hmmm... Nope, so I'd call this a strawman. Heck I don't use the word "settled" for ANY scientific theory since all of them get added to all the time.
originally posted by: StanFL
a reply to: Krazysh0t
The question is whether an important variable has been left out which corrupts the calculations and renders them invalid. For example, a model which does not include cloud cover and the negative feedback to heating caused by the sensitivity of cloud area to increased thermal flux to the ocean surface might be considered so incomplete as to be worthless.
Do the models you rely on include this factor?
originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Krazysh0t
In other news, August is expected to break a world wide heat record held by the previous record holder of this past July which broke the record held by this past June.
For what time period? Here we have been , for about 10 years, experiencing very cool summers and cold snow filled winters. This year Georgia appears to be back to normal. So , I guess you could omit all the previous years before the 10 year span and say Georgia has broken heat records this year??? And strange enough , during that time we had more tornadoes , tornado warnings , and tornado watches.Very , very few this year. As it was in the past.
originally posted by: network dude
And until we have solid answers to all the questions, I think it's not only healthy, but imperative that we continue to ask questions and challenge what we have been told. If it's true and right, then all the predictions will be there, but if not, we might not all burst into flames in the near future. (I kind of hope the doom peddlers were wrong, call me optimistic that way)
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: network dude
And until we have solid answers to all the questions, I think it's not only healthy, but imperative that we continue to ask questions and challenge what we have been told. If it's true and right, then all the predictions will be there, but if not, we might not all burst into flames in the near future. (I kind of hope the doom peddlers were wrong, call me optimistic that way)
Here's the thing. Not ALL of the models have been wrong. What usually happens is that all the very EXTREME models turn out wrong. Then the conservative right turns around and says, "See! The world is still here! Climate change is wrong!" But they completely neglect the fact that many of the lower bound models are still spot on. Then there ARE times when even those models are wrong, but it's usually not by much. Weather and climate are very hard to predict.
Though, while we may be wrong here and there about this, we have a VERY good idea of the effect humans are having on the planet. No, the planet isn't going to flood tomorrow. Heck it may not even flood during our lifetimes, but it IS heating up. We can directly show a correlation between human greenhouse gas output and the rising temperatures. We may not know EXACTLY the end results, or even have a very good idea of it, but we KNOW we are doing something and it's not good.
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
I recently read that according to Climate Change advocates that there would be an increase in severe storms, Hurricanes and other weather related phenomena.
originally posted by: jjkenobi
Every prediction Al Gore made was wrong. No ice at the caps. No more snow. Earth warming 11 degrees. Stronger and more frequent hurricanes. Coastal cities under water. But he is a politician so do you really expect any truth from him?