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posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: beezzer
I will correct myself.

I will do a rare thing and state that I was wrong on ATS.

The US military DOES illustrate socialism.

There.

Mea Culpa.


Thank you for your honesty.

That being said, do we not hold our military in high regard for the things it can accomplish? Could it be, with the right mix of different ideologies, that socialism could play an important role in what we can do?


I can't say that it would be very popular. We sacrificed our freedoms and liberties to serve. We were told what to wear, what to do by a controlling central authority from dusk to dawn. We had the UCMJ and had limited Constitutional rights. Our pay was based on TIG, TIR instead of being merit-based.

So yeah, socialism.

Despite all of that, the military did and still does heroic, epic things.

But if the military is an example of socialism, the vets might adjust, but most of the population would freak.




posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: beezzer
I will correct myself.

I will do a rare thing and state that I was wrong on ATS.

The US military DOES illustrate socialism.

There.

Mea Culpa.


Thank you for your honesty.

That being said, do we not hold our military in high regard for the things it can accomplish? Could it be, with the right mix of different ideologies, that socialism could play an important role in what we can do?


Some people do, but I haven't seen much regard from the left.

With the right mix of ideologies, socialism would not be socialism.


Correct. It would be a hybrid. I'll let you call it whatever you want. But the principles behind socialism would still be in play, as they are today.


I call socialism a failed, bankrupt ideology. I have no interest in hybridization.


It's already partially a hybrid in the US. I'd simply like a bit more. You can't escape socialism. It's at the very root of human existence.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: beezzer



Despite all of that, the military did and still does heroic, epic things.


That's all you had to say.

Thanks again for being honest.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Teikiatsu

I am a socialist and I know full well about socialism. What you are portraying is the ultimate extreme. I don;t agree with that whatsoever.

You don't have to agree with the extremes to believe in the basic principles of socialism.


Yep, utopian. Looks great on paper, fails miserably when put into practice.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

So the police are a failure? The military? The fire department?

How about the roads you drive on and the public works that make sure your water is clean?

You're welcome.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: beezzer
I will correct myself.

I will do a rare thing and state that I was wrong on ATS.

The US military DOES illustrate socialism.

There.

Mea Culpa.


Thank you for your honesty.

That being said, do we not hold our military in high regard for the things it can accomplish? Could it be, with the right mix of different ideologies, that socialism could play an important role in what we can do?


Some people do, but I haven't seen much regard from the left.

With the right mix of ideologies, socialism would not be socialism.


Correct. It would be a hybrid. I'll let you call it whatever you want. But the principles behind socialism would still be in play, as they are today.


I call socialism a failed, bankrupt ideology. I have no interest in hybridization.


It's already partially a hybrid in the US. I'd simply like a bit more. You can't escape socialism. It's at the very root of human existence.


And it's a failure where it is being practiced. It is not at the root of human existence, because we haven't gone extinct yet.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 07:55 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: beezzer
I will correct myself.

I will do a rare thing and state that I was wrong on ATS.

The US military DOES illustrate socialism.

There.

Mea Culpa.


Thank you for your honesty.

That being said, do we not hold our military in high regard for the things it can accomplish? Could it be, with the right mix of different ideologies, that socialism could play an important role in what we can do?


Some people do, but I haven't seen much regard from the left.

With the right mix of ideologies, socialism would not be socialism.


Correct. It would be a hybrid. I'll let you call it whatever you want. But the principles behind socialism would still be in play, as they are today.


I call socialism a failed, bankrupt ideology. I have no interest in hybridization.


It's already partially a hybrid in the US. I'd simply like a bit more. You can't escape socialism. It's at the very root of human existence.


And it's a failure where it is being practiced. It is not at the root of human existence, because we haven't gone extinct yet.


Perhaps it is socialism, the need to care for one another and the ability to do things beyond the individual that has brought us this far?



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 07:57 PM
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originally posted by: gladtobehere
This lame duck, do nothing, career politician has been in Congress since 1990.

Hes a self-described "democratic socialist".

For some odd reason, hes now getting a lot of positive attention (especially on ATS) but I'm not sure why.

Sanders is a typical socialist who wants the government to confiscate more of my hard earned money so it can be redistributed in the form of illegitimate social programs like Obamacare.

He's flip-flopped on the 2nd Amendment mainly because the constituents in his home state are pro-2A, its the only way he could get their support to ensure a win.

He initially seemed like an ally with regards to the Pauls' Federal Reserve bill but he flaked on that too.

Ron Paul says Bernie Sanders 'sold out' on Fed amendment.

I could go on but I think you guys get the point.

Dont get me wrong, if you support big government, anti-gun, socialist liberals, hes your man.

Speaking on behalf of everyone else, no thank you.




Can't Argue with you there Man , a Spot On assessment of Bernie " Red Legs " Sanders....



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: introvert

The massive government debt is the problem.




posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 08:01 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: introvert

The massive government debt is the problem.




Yes it is. Isn't it telling that we can't blame that on socialism? That has become the problem child of out-of-control fascist capitalism.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Teikiatsu

So the police are a failure? The military? The fire department?

How about the roads you drive on and the public works that make sure your water is clean?

You're welcome.


I wonder what your position is on the current spate of police brutality threads?



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Teikiatsu

So the police are a failure? The military? The fire department?

How about the roads you drive on and the public works that make sure your water is clean?

You're welcome.


I wonder what your position is on the current spate of police brutality threads?


There is blame to go all around. The police are too aggressive and the people are disrespectful at times.

Not sure how that is applicable, though.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 08:10 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Teikiatsu

So the police are a failure? The military? The fire department?

How about the roads you drive on and the public works that make sure your water is clean?

You're welcome.


I wonder what your position is on the current spate of police brutality threads?


There is blame to go all around. The police are too aggressive and the people are disrespectful at times.

Not sure how that is applicable, though.


Police states are wonderful examples of socialism. I agree.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 08:11 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Teikiatsu

So the police are a failure? The military? The fire department?

How about the roads you drive on and the public works that make sure your water is clean?

You're welcome.


Bet you would be hard pressed to find large amounts of agreement if military and police are a success. Roads? Seen some poor ones and infrastructure has issues. Are those successes, depends on who you talk to. But the one question I can't seem to get an answer for is if we implemented certain aspects of socialism such as providing basic needs for all what will those receiving beneifits give up? In the military you become government property and give up freedoms.

Police and roads ok, but in that form of socialism see the benefits. The police are doing a job to receive pay and benefits so are road crews. In each instance some one is providing something or giving something up.

So if the concept of providing basic needs for all were implemented, the question becomes what is given up, provided, or required of those being provided for? It's the basic marketing failure of people promoting the concept. You can convince people the value of police, military, public works. They can see a return.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 08:25 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: introvert

The massive government debt is the problem.




Yes it is. Isn't it telling that we can't blame that on socialism? That has become the problem child of out-of-control fascist capitalism.


Taxes are Socialist.

Taxes and national debt cause governments to fail.

But maybe Bernie Sanders can get government stabilized?




posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 08:29 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

This gov't is so out of control with debt and poor money management, while being focused on war, I doubt anyone could get this straightened out in 4 years or even 8 years.

We're in so much trouble, our hole is so deep there's probably no solution to getting out. The best we can hope for is an administration that does it best to work on solutions instead of adding to the on going problems. But this is DC and the Red v Blue is always going to screw it up for everyone no matter whose in the oval office.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 08:30 PM
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a reply to: Swills

I tend to agree.




posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 08:33 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: xuenchen

This gov't is so out of control with debt and poor money management, while being focused on war, I doubt anyone could get this straightened out in 4 years or even 8 years.

We're in so much trouble, our hole is so deep there's probably no solution to getting out. The best we can hope for is an administration that does it best to work on solutions instead of adding to the on going problems. But this is DC and the Red v Blue is always going to screw it up for everyone no matter whose in the oval office.


Beyond debt tack on unfunded liabilities and the hard truth us there is absolutely no way to fix it. There is only one end result that can happen. The only question is when



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 08:40 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Teikiatsu

So the police are a failure? The military? The fire department?

How about the roads you drive on and the public works that make sure your water is clean?

You're welcome.


I wonder what your position is on the current spate of police brutality threads?


There is blame to go all around. The police are too aggressive and the people are disrespectful at times.

Not sure how that is applicable, though.


Police states are wonderful examples of socialism. I agree.


Nice deflection.

a reply to: xuenchen

The founding fathers talked about the importance of taxes. They must be socialist.

Thanks for the clarification.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: Reallyfolks



But the one question I can't seem to get an answer for is if we implemented certain aspects of socialism such as providing basic needs for all what will those receiving beneifits give up?


Taxes, just as you do now.



Police and roads ok, but in that form of socialism see the benefits.


Then you agree with the benefits of socialism. I knew you would come around.



In each instance some one is providing something or giving something up


That's true. If you don't like socialism, quit using the roads we paid for.



They can see a return.


Perhaps it is the need for a return that has breed the police state. I hope ketsuko sees your post as it demonstrates that perfectly.







 
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