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originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: ketsuko
So if socialism is so great, and the military is an example of socialism, then why aren't the socialists lauding the military??
It's not the organization of the military that is the problem. It's what our leadership is using them for.
“Democrat flaks jump on this like ducks on a June-bug, and in the process themselves reproduce the sick militarism of this culture that automatically valorizes anyone who wears a uniform. How dare you insult a soldier! Like its some sacred calling instead of an imperial employment program steeped in the culture of machismo and misogyny.(And you can gasp as theatrically as you want… I spent more than two decades wearing a uniform… that is exactly what it is.)” — Stan Goff at the Huffington Post
“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.” — John Kerry, in what he later claimed was a botched joke.
“I don’t want to sound like an ad, a public service ad on TV, but the fact is if you can read, you can walk into a job later on. If you don’t, then you’ve got, the Army, Iraq, I don’t know, something like that. It’s, it’s not as bright. So, that’s my little commercial for that.” — Stephen King
“There is, Hugh, I agree with you, a deep anti-military bias in the media. One that begins from the premise that the military must be lying, and that American projection of power around the world must be wrong. I think that is a hangover from Vietnam, and I think it’s very dangerous. That’s different from the media doing its job of challenging the exercise of power without fear or favor.” — Liberal ABC reporter, Terry Moran
“Do our government’s poorly paid contract killers deserve our ‘support’ for blindly following orders?” — Ted Rall
originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Reallyfolks
Who says that is the only way it works?
The military is far from the end all example.
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: burdman30ott6
It is a single, uniform body... or at least that is the goal. You want the military to be all on the same page and be lazer precision targeted to the identical goal.
That is, in my opinion, the goal of socialism. To have a single, unified populace who's purpose is to care for one another and works towards a common goal.
You realize that military also expects to give up many of your basic rights too? Constitutional rights in the process of becoming what you think society ought to aspire to? This is part of why it is a volunteer body. No one is compelled to enter the military except under times of extreme need theoretically when may need to institute the draft.
A socialist society generally does not allow you to volunteer.
Sure they do. If you don't want to participate you simply move to a country with the system you so desire. Problem solved.
Ha, ha, once upon a time, the people who did not want to be opted in to those kinds of systems moved to the US where they could live under something else. Now there is nowhere left to go.
And I'm sure the East Germans find your words oh-so-comforting. Were they allowed to opt in to communism or simply move away? What exactly was that wall for again?
originally posted by: beezzer
I will correct myself.
I will do a rare thing and state that I was wrong on ATS.
The US military DOES illustrate socialism.
There.
Mea Culpa.
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ketsuko
a reply to: beezzer
I can't speak for all socialists.
So much for solidarity
Do you speak for everyone within you particular ideology and agree with even the extreme nutbags?
So much for solidarity.
originally posted by: beezzer
I will correct myself.
I will do a rare thing and state that I was wrong on ATS.
The US military DOES illustrate socialism.
There.
Mea Culpa.
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ketsuko
a reply to: beezzer
I can't speak for all socialists.
So much for solidarity
Do you speak for everyone within you particular ideology and agree with even the extreme nutbags?
So much for solidarity.
No, but then conservatism promotes individuality so why would I?
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: beezzer
I will correct myself.
I will do a rare thing and state that I was wrong on ATS.
The US military DOES illustrate socialism.
There.
Mea Culpa.
Thank you for your honesty.
That being said, do we not hold our military in high regard for the things it can accomplish? Could it be, with the right mix of different ideologies, that socialism could play an important role in what we can do?
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: beezzer
I will correct myself.
I will do a rare thing and state that I was wrong on ATS.
The US military DOES illustrate socialism.
There.
Mea Culpa.
I disagree. If the US Military illustrated socialism they would farm their own food, design and build their own weapons, produce their own clothes, refine their own fuel, etc.
They would be entirely self-contained.
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: beezzer
I will correct myself.
I will do a rare thing and state that I was wrong on ATS.
The US military DOES illustrate socialism.
There.
Mea Culpa.
Thank you for your honesty.
That being said, do we not hold our military in high regard for the things it can accomplish? Could it be, with the right mix of different ideologies, that socialism could play an important role in what we can do?
Some people do, but I haven't seen much regard from the left.
With the right mix of ideologies, socialism would not be socialism.
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ketsuko
a reply to: beezzer
I can't speak for all socialists.
So much for solidarity
Do you speak for everyone within you particular ideology and agree with even the extreme nutbags?
So much for solidarity.
No, but then conservatism promotes individuality so why would I?
So does socialism. So why would I?
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: beezzer
I will correct myself.
I will do a rare thing and state that I was wrong on ATS.
The US military DOES illustrate socialism.
There.
Mea Culpa.
Thank you for your honesty.
That being said, do we not hold our military in high regard for the things it can accomplish? Could it be, with the right mix of different ideologies, that socialism could play an important role in what we can do?
Some people do, but I haven't seen much regard from the left.
With the right mix of ideologies, socialism would not be socialism.
Correct. It would be a hybrid. I'll let you call it whatever you want. But the principles behind socialism would still be in play, as they are today.
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: beezzer
I will correct myself.
I will do a rare thing and state that I was wrong on ATS.
The US military DOES illustrate socialism.
There.
Mea Culpa.
I disagree. If the US Military illustrated socialism they would farm their own food, design and build their own weapons, produce their own clothes, refine their own fuel, etc.
They would be entirely self-contained.
If that's what you believe than you lack the proper knowledge behind socialism.