Bernie Sanders is a nothing.

a reply to: HammyCat

You do not get to choose who can and can not give up their fetus.
There are many reasons why people do. It is their choice not yours.

There are many reasons. Doesn't mean I have to find abortion a positive in society. It isn't.

You have health insurance? Because I guarantee that your weekly / monthly payment wouldn't cover the full cost if you got cancer.

Inflation, not actual cost of materials and personnel, drive the cost of health care. The managed care system of the US is a horrible way to do business when it comes to a relationship between doctor and patient. Add the "Affordable Care Act", which is managed care on steroids, and there is no telling yet just how much more inflation we will see in this segment of the economy.

Do you really need an automatic to shoot a deer?

spray and pray you got it right?

The 2nd Amendment is not now, nor has it ever been about deer hunting.

Abortion needs to be banned lets force a kid with Anencephaly to be born so the parents can watch it live maybe 8 hours before it dies then they still have to pay that god awful hospital bill.

But you feel good don't you, even though you never met them.

You didn't read a damned thing I wrote did you?

a reply to: Sremmos80

Right, and I have no problem that the military provides all of this for the troops. A few other things I forgot:

-money for college
-VA loans for homes
-cheap rentals for outdoor/sporting equipment
-discounted/free military-only campgrounds

We've figured out how to use taxpayer money to give a basic, civilized, standard of living for all our troops.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

The military is one of the most socialist organizations in America.

-Healthcare provided for

Indeed. Part of the stuff the army says they will do. But get what? My family isn't fully covered. There are still things I have to pay for as far as health care is concerned.

-Job given to you based on ability

I chose my job.

-Free meals in the mess hall

DFAC meals are not free.

-Discounted groceries at the base exchange or AAFES

The commissary is about the most expensive place to buy your groceries and it is only useful if there is nothing else in the immediate area.

-Clothing for work taken care of (uniforms)

We are going through a uniform change right now.

I paid for my replacements.

-Discounted gasoline on military bases for troops and dependents

Um no. I have no idea where you got this but it is not true. Gasoline on post is just as much as it is off post and there is no tax break.

-Free gym access for troops and dependents

You can get that at an apartment complex.

-Free housing

Um, no.

-Off-base housing allowance

This one is actually true. 1 out of 8 ain't bad.

This is all stuff the government does for you provided you sign the contract and do what they want you to do for a specific period of time. Barring very few exceptions, this type of compensation for risking your life for the country ends the day your contract does.

Basically, you can show up for a job with the military with nothing but the clothes on your back and be just fine.

More than 75% of military age people in this country are not fit for duty. You can't just show up and be just fine.

The military will provide and give you everything you need to live.

And what most people don't realize is that it isn't much. It certainly isn't lucrative. I'm not living in opulent housing, or driving an expensive car, or even taking regular vacations.

I work 14 hours a day, I go on regular training exercises, and I deploy for a year or more at a time. You act as though what the military provides is gold plated and a shining example of socialist policy, when in fact it isn't. It is part of the compensation package you sign up for in exchange for devoting the majority of your life to them.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
a reply to: gladtobehere

Bravo, the more idiotic stuff like this I read about Bernie the more apt I am to vote for him

Oh what your feeling is called the Bern! Get used to it. A political revolution is coming and Bernie is leading the charge.

I sure hope so! I feel Bernie is our only hope anything else, status quo.

a reply to: projectvxn

Your job was offered based on your ASVAB no?
Your meals may not be free per say but you can go to the chow hall free of charge.
You get a uniform allowance to cover the cost of your that uniform change.
Your housing is free of charge again on base and get a BAH when you are off base which always has a COLA built into it.
Little more then 1/8 there.
I would disagree on the PX prices as well but it has been a while since I have been in one so things could have changed.
Gas you are right on, that seemed to be always about the same. If cheaper, not by to much.


We are not saying that it is gold plated or luxury, just that it is very socialist when you break it down.

originally posted by: HUMBLEONE

originally posted by: LDragonFire
a reply to: gladtobehere

Bravo, the more idiotic stuff like this I read about Bernie the more apt I am to vote for him

Oh what your feeling is called the Bern! Get used to it. A political revolution is coming and Bernie is leading the charge.

I sure hope so! I feel Bernie is our only hope anything else, status quo.

c'mon....even if Bernie sanders was elected, you have a conservative supreme court, a republican senate, a republican house, and 30 state governors that are republicans....how much do you think he can get done?......seriously

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Sunwolf

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Sunwolf

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Sunwolf
Socialists don`t have a good track record,ya know?You know like Hillary, or Pol Pot?

General Tito(Yugoslavia) was lauded at home and abroad. Your point?

Uh,he was a socialist.

Right. And successful at home and in the international arena as well.

Successful at being a tyrant and a murderer you mean:


www.infoplease.com...

Did you read your own source?

Although Yugoslavia was closely associated with the USSR and was a leading member of the Cominform, Tito often pursued independent policies and did not hesitate to curtail the activities of Soviet agents. In 1948 the Cominform accused Tito of having deviated from the correct Communist line. Tito denied the charges and refused to submit to the Cominform, from which Yugoslavia was then expelled.

Having already transformed Yugoslavia into an armed camp, built up a highly efficient secret police, and purged dissident elements in the Communist party, Tito succeeded in maintaining his position despite the hostility of the USSR and his neighbors. Although he accepted loans from the Western powers, he initially did not alter his internal program. In later years, however, he relaxed many of the regime's strict controls, particularly those affecting the small farmers. As a result, Yugoslavia became the most liberal Communist country of Europe.

No where in YOUR source does it confirm your hypothesis. The Socialist Tito thumbed his nose at the Soviet Union for damn near 40 years. The country fell apart after his death and THAT wasn't pretty.

Uh,he murdered his rivals,no?What do you call that?A tyrant and murderer.

Bernie Sanders is a nothing.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

-money for college

This one is true, but it isn't free either. You pay into this system.

-VA loans for homes

The VA doesn't give loans. They guarantee loans, and that is IF you qualify. You don't qualify just because you're a veteran. There's a big difference.

-cheap rentals for outdoor/sporting equipment

Maybe I missed this one.

-discounted/free military-only campgrounds

Definitely missed this one.

Let's say for the sake of argument that this is all just socialism and not work compensation.

1. I have to do absolutely everything I am told provided the order is legal.

2. My family has to follow all the same rules I do. To include dress codes for civilians.

3. My chain of command can remove me from my family for the duration of my service for any reason they deem fitting and there's nothing I can do about it.

4. My family can be kicked off post, even while I am deployed, for almost any reason. And it has happened to several of my fellow troops on hardship tours to places like Korea where , if you're going for 1 year or less, you cannot take you family. You would have to leave them at the previous duty station, or at the next projected duty station. That housing department decides whether or not they will accept them. They don't have to, and I have seen what happens when they make the decision not to. It isn't pretty, not on an enlisted budget.

5. My benefits generally cover me and only me. Basic healthcare is covered via tricare for my family and I pay for that. I also pay separately for dental and vision.

What ever the government gives you they can take back in liberty. To include your ability to complain about it.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: HUMBLEONE

originally posted by: LDragonFire
a reply to: gladtobehere

Bravo, the more idiotic stuff like this I read about Bernie the more apt I am to vote for him

Oh what your feeling is called the Bern! Get used to it. A political revolution is coming and Bernie is leading the charge.

I sure hope so! I feel Bernie is our only hope anything else, status quo.

c'mon....even if Bernie sanders was elected, you have a conservative supreme court, a republican senate, a republican house, and 30 state governors that are republicans....how much do you think he can get done?......seriously

You think that will be the status quo? Democrats stayed away in '14. Don't blame them. They'll be back in '16.

originally posted by: Sunwolf

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Sunwolf

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Sunwolf

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Sunwolf
Socialists don`t have a good track record,ya know?You know like Hillary, or Pol Pot?

General Tito(Yugoslavia) was lauded at home and abroad. Your point?

Uh,he was a socialist.

Right. And successful at home and in the international arena as well.

Successful at being a tyrant and a murderer you mean:


www.infoplease.com...

Did you read your own source?

Although Yugoslavia was closely associated with the USSR and was a leading member of the Cominform, Tito often pursued independent policies and did not hesitate to curtail the activities of Soviet agents. In 1948 the Cominform accused Tito of having deviated from the correct Communist line. Tito denied the charges and refused to submit to the Cominform, from which Yugoslavia was then expelled.

Having already transformed Yugoslavia into an armed camp, built up a highly efficient secret police, and purged dissident elements in the Communist party, Tito succeeded in maintaining his position despite the hostility of the USSR and his neighbors. Although he accepted loans from the Western powers, he initially did not alter his internal program. In later years, however, he relaxed many of the regime's strict controls, particularly those affecting the small farmers. As a result, Yugoslavia became the most liberal Communist country of Europe.

No where in YOUR source does it confirm your hypothesis. The Socialist Tito thumbed his nose at the Soviet Union for damn near 40 years. The country fell apart after his death and THAT wasn't pretty.

Uh,he murdered his rivals,no?What do you call that?A tyrant and murderer.

That's your opinion. Your source didn't confirm that. Go ahead, Google again. Someone out there must have been able to castigate him.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Sunwolf

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Sunwolf

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Sunwolf

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Sunwolf
Socialists don`t have a good track record,ya know?You know like Hillary, or Pol Pot?

General Tito(Yugoslavia) was lauded at home and abroad. Your point?

Uh,he was a socialist.

Right. And successful at home and in the international arena as well.

Successful at being a tyrant and a murderer you mean:


www.infoplease.com...

Did you read your own source?

Although Yugoslavia was closely associated with the USSR and was a leading member of the Cominform, Tito often pursued independent policies and did not hesitate to curtail the activities of Soviet agents. In 1948 the Cominform accused Tito of having deviated from the correct Communist line. Tito denied the charges and refused to submit to the Cominform, from which Yugoslavia was then expelled.

Having already transformed Yugoslavia into an armed camp, built up a highly efficient secret police, and purged dissident elements in the Communist party, Tito succeeded in maintaining his position despite the hostility of the USSR and his neighbors. Although he accepted loans from the Western powers, he initially did not alter his internal program. In later years, however, he relaxed many of the regime's strict controls, particularly those affecting the small farmers. As a result, Yugoslavia became the most liberal Communist country of Europe.

No where in YOUR source does it confirm your hypothesis. The Socialist Tito thumbed his nose at the Soviet Union for damn near 40 years. The country fell apart after his death and THAT wasn't pretty.

Uh,he murdered his rivals,no?What do you call that?A tyrant and murderer.

That's your opinion. Your source didn't confirm that. Go ahead, Google again. Someone out there must have been able to castigate him.

You didn`t read?



"As premier and minister of defense from 1945, Marshal Tito ruled Yugoslavia dictatorially. He suppressed internal opposition by such measures as the execution of Mihajlović and the jailing (1946) of Archbishop Stepinac of Zagreb, and he nationalized Yugoslav industry and undertook a planned economy."

originally posted by: Sunwolf
Bernie Sanders is a nothing.

He isn't a "nothing." He's the Democrat version of Ron Paul 2012. He'll make some noise and, depending on which circles of the internet you frequent, it will appear like he is EN FUEGO! In reality, across a true cross section of the nation, he'll be little known, little supported, and little cared about and at the end of the day won't even get the nomination. As I said, Ron Paul.

Bernie Sanders is a nothing.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Your job was offered based on your ASVAB no?

No.

Your meals may not be free per say but you can go to the chow hall free of charge.

No.

You get a uniform allowance to cover the cost of your that uniform change.

I don't think you understand how much uniforms cost. To include dress blues and everything that goes with it. The clothing allowance does not, in fact, cover the cost.

Your housing is free of charge again on base and get a BAH when you are off base which always has a COLA built into it.

Wrong. Please do more research.

I would disagree on the PX prices as well but it has been a while since I have been in one so things could have changed.

If I want something that the PX has I buy it at wally world. Even with taxes charged it still cheaper.

The commissary is no different. Price have only gone up and up. My wife and I used to shop there, but it isn't worth it anymore.

Gas you are right on, that seemed to be always about the same. If cheaper, not by to much.

Yeah, I'm not sure where he got that, but it certainly isn't true.

We are not saying that it is gold plated or luxury, just that it is very socialist when you break it down.

What it is are job benefits. Generally the military will take care of you in the sense that you won't be homeless, and you probably wont starve. You probably won't die from some ridiculous disease either. And that's great. They need soldiers to be able to focus on the mission at hand. But there are rules and stipulations associated with that. You have no constitutional rights as a soldier or soldier's family member. You have no real liberties on post other than what they want you to have.

For many the exchange isn't worth it, and the more time I spend in the army, I feel I have to agree. Good thing I'm on my way out.

a reply to: projectvxn

The gasoline on JBER (joint base Elmendorf) is discounted compared to off post.

The groceries at the commisarry are cheaper, as they are the same price all over the country. A gallon of milk on base is several dollars cheaper than at the Safeway or Kroger, the same with meat. There's a good reason civilians here go shopping there with their military friends.

Housing in the baracks is provided for. If you want to live off base you can. My employee was former USAF and used to work in relocating/housing troops. She used to put families into the base housing. Sometimes there's a waiting list, but yes -- it's part of the "package" you get in the military. No one who is active military is homeless.

You may have chose your job, but it was after you took the ASVAB which limited your choices -- based on ability.

If you are on post and hit the mess hall, you're not paying out of pocket for those meals.

If you are enlisted and reside in the dormitory (or barracks, or whatever you want to call it), in most cases, you will be given your meals for free. Different services have different names for this. In the Air Force, it's called "being on a Meal Card." (This is a carry-over from the days when the Air Force actually issued a card that entitled someone to eat in the Dining Facility for Free -- in these days of computer automation, actual "Meal Cards" are rarely - if ever - used anymore.

Most chow halls offer four meals per day (breakfast, lunch, supper, and a "midnight meal."). There are even some that are open 24 hours per day.

Link

You get an "allowance" for uniforms, so it's not like you are taking money out of your direct deposited payroll to pay for uniforms.

a reply to: projectvxn

I never said the 2nd Amendment was about deer hunting, What I'm saying is that for many years when bans on assault rifles brought up the first thing out of the NRA's and blindly following followers, mouth was "We use it for hunting" large magazine clips were changed to " those are varmint-hunting cartridges "

I know you understand what I am saying - don't lie just tell the truth this weapon is for killing humans that is what it was made for. I am not against you having it just don't lie and say its to kill a deer when you and I know you would not use it for that.

The Abortion part - I have misread and I apologize, I do not agree with they must have a child.

I say fine if you remove the affordable health care act then remove ALL health care. Everyone gets healthcare or no one gets health care.

I have not heard one good reason why the USofA can't be like the rest of the world and have healthcare for all citizens. So many against the Affordable Health Care yet they won't come up with a different plan.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

This is sort of an unfair comparison, MM. Anchorage is one of the most expensive cities in America. If you took a comparison in, say Tucson, a more average priced American city, the differences may very well be in the other direction.

a reply to: HammyCat

I never said the 2nd Amendment was about deer hunting, What I'm saying is that for many years when bans on assault rifles brought up the first thing out of the NRA's and blindly following followers, mouth was "We use it for hunting" large magazine clips were changed to " those are varmint-hunting cartridges "

I don't own weapons for hunting and I am not an NRA member.

don't lie just tell the truth this weapon is for killing humans that is what it was made for.

Never lied to you or anyone else on why I own weapons.

I am not against you having it just don't lie and say its to kill a deer when you and I know you would not use it for that.

First, there are plenty of people who hunt with AR15s and AKs.

Secondly what I use my firearms for is noones business but my own.

I have not heard one good reason why the USofA can't be like the rest of the world and have healthcare for all citizens.

I have not heard one good reason why the USofA can't be like the rest of the world and have healthcare for all citizens.

I can think of 18 trillion reasons why this isn't currently possible.

Secondly the US is not a monolithic nation. It is a collective of 50 different nations Federally protected by the United States of America. Those 50 nations have 50 different economies, demographics, and needs. Look no further than the rumblings of a future collapse of the EU for evidence as to why this kind of crap doesn't work at the levels.

a reply to: Sunwolf

2 people? Maybe they weren't clean. IDK. But 2?