Bernie Sanders is a nothing.

a reply to: gladtobehere

So who do you support? I will go with Bernie for now. When Biden locks in Elizabeth Warren as his running mate, it's all over.
History shows that incumbent vice-presidents always win the electorate. Even though Biden is a loose-screw, Warren will dictate matters from behind the curtains.
Biden has until begining of October to make his decision.

originally posted by: HammyCat
a reply to: whyamIhere

Donald Trump has filed for corporate bankruptcy four times, in 1991, 1992, 2004 and 2009.

I do not want that helping the USofA .

Sanders a guy who tries to help the people - not help his party, or his wallet.

OK....so he filed bankruptcy. Bernie has been there since 1990.

If his political life was a child. It would already be on welfare.

But, I like him way better than most. He seems somewhat honest.

a reply to: HammyCat

I take it you like / love being an American? Love you freedom?

You do not get to pick and choose what freedoms others can and can not have.

Freedoms protected by the Constitution are not legislative, social liberties. They are inherent liberties of the individual that government is forbidden from tampering with.

Some people think government can create rights out of thin air by legislation. They hold that such rights are on the same plain as inherent natural rights. They are not. What government gives it can take away. That isn't a right it is a privilege.

Pro - Choice, you can not make someone have a child because you think it is a sin.

I find abortion abhorrent. That said I think banning it would drive the practice under ground and would become far more dangerous. What we can do is stop vilifying contraception and sexual education. The teaching of abstinence is nonsense to me and has no place in policy that makes sense.

THAT said, it is no ones right to kill a child. I believe with education, use of contraceptives, and understanding of human nature would go a long way to eliminating the practice of abortion without ever having to ban anything at all.

Everyone has a right to Health Care

No you don't. Health care isn't a right. YOU are responsible for your own health. If you smoke a pack a day for 20 years the health affects are YOUR problem. It is now your neighbor's who would get stuck with the bill for your poor health choices if we follow this idea to its logical conclusion. This doesn't mean I'm not willing to help pay the tab for poor folks who simply can't afford the care they need. But I am not paying for mistakes made by others.

He's not anti-gun

Of course he's not. He believes the government should have a monopoly on violence by making sure all weapons made for self defense are banned from civilian use.

bearingarms.com...

Speaking from New Orleans on NBC’s Meet The Press, Sanders told moderator Chuck Todd that “guns used to kill people exclusively, not for hunting, should not be sold in the United States of America.”

That says all I need to know about his stance on guns.

Bernie Sanders is a wolf in sheeps clothing. What people never seem to understand is that his level of socialism REQUIRES authoritarianism in government to expand to unprecedented levels. His idea of benevolent tyranny doesn't sit well with me anymore than republican crony capitalism does. Stop trying to sell it as anything other than feel good liberal BS.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: projectvxn

From your quote and source:

Sanders is the longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history.

Your source validates his comment. Sanders is an independent but is running for president on the Democrat ticket.

originally posted by: Kratos40

History shows that incumbent vice-presidents always win the electorate.

Al Gore may disagree with you.

a reply to: projectvxn

I don't understand what your point is exactly. You tried to refute Gryphon's point by actually validating and what does this video show?

He is an independent, labels himself a democrat socialist and runs on the Dem ticket for president.

We already knew that. What's your point?

a reply to: introvert

It was his assertion that he was not a democratic socialist. That somehow it was a "lie" as he asserted.

a reply to: projectvxn

This doesn't mean I'm not willing to help pay the tab for poor folks who simply can't afford the care they nee

That's socialism. You believe in selective socialism. Welcome to the party.

a reply to: introvert

I don't think you have any idea what I believe.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: introvert

It was his assertion that he was not a democratic socialist. That somehow it was a "lie" as he asserted.

I think you need to reread those posts. You are misinterpreting them.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: introvert

It was his assertion that he was not a democratic socialist. That somehow it was a "lie" as he asserted.

I think you need to reread those posts. You are misinterpreting them.

That's a possibility.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: introvert

I don't think you have any idea what I believe.

True. I don't know and must take your own words as an indication of what you believe. Did you not say this?

This doesn't mean I'm not willing to help pay the tab for poor folks who simply can't afford the care they need.

That is a socialist ideal. There is nothing wrong with that. I was only welcoming you to the realization that some socialism is good and in practice today.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Kratos40

History shows that incumbent vice-presidents always win the electorate.

Al Gore may disagree with you.

Al Gore might agree if it weren't for Jeb Bush A bad Supreme Court ruling Florida.

a reply to: introvert

That is a socialist ideal. There is nothing wrong with that. I was only welcoming you to the realization that some socialism is good and in practice today.

Socialism and charity are not the same thing.

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: introvert

It was his assertion that he was not a democratic socialist. That somehow it was a "lie" as he asserted.

I think you need to reread those posts. You are misinterpreting them.

That's a possibility.

It also appears that the OP was edited. I believe he called Sanders a Democrat, or a "Democrap" in the OP and it's no longer there.

originally posted by: Kratos40

History shows that incumbent vice-presidents always win the electorate.

originally posted by: intrepid

Al Gore may disagree with you.

So would Nixon

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: introvert

That is a socialist ideal. There is nothing wrong with that. I was only welcoming you to the realization that some socialism is good and in practice today.

Socialism and charity are not the same thing.

Not when it's paid with tax money.

ETA: It also appears that you may have served in the military. That is socialism as well.

a reply to: introvert

I think people get socialism confused for services the government provides based on the common protection by which the federal government was formed.

The military is not a socialist organization. It is mostly people who have never been in the military who believe that.

The military's sole purpose is to destroy and kill. I signed a contract. That contract says I will do certain things for a period of time and the army will do certain things for a period of time. That's it. That's where it ends.

Socialism

a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

And, of course, since the "community" requires a central authority by which to administer its policies...Then that means everything really belongs to the state, and by extension, the political class.

a reply to: projectvxn

I think people get socialism confused for services the government provides based on the common protection by which the federal government was formed.

No, I got that right. The military is a service mandated by the constitution in which the collective wealth of the people of the nation are used to provide for the common defense, under the authority of the state.

Socialism.

originally posted by: projectvxn

I find abortion abhorrent.

You do not get to choose who can and can not give up their fetus.
There are many reasons why people do. It is their choice not yours.

Health care isn't a right. YOU are responsible for your own health.

You have health insurance? Because I guarantee that your weekly / monthly payment wouldn't cover the full cost if you got cancer.

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Do you really need an automatic to shoot a deer?

spray and pray you got it right?

Stop trying to sell it as anything other than feel good liberal BS.

Abortion needs to be banned lets force a kid with Anencephaly to be born so the parents can watch it live maybe 8 hours before it dies then they still have to pay that god awful hospital bill.

But you feel good don't you, even though you never met them.