Bernie Sanders is a nothing.

a reply to: ketsuko

Ya I get that point.

Until a company gets the bid that is connected to those giving them out and doesn't have to worry about losing the job.
Halliburton ring a bell?

Also who would be paying them companies for their services?

The gov right? So the budget issue would still be there, the companies could just go over budget and we would have the same issues.

a reply to: Sremmos80

The issue with Halliburton is that it is the ONLY American company of its kind currently. There are other companies that can do the same kind of contracting work, but every one of them is foreign. So in order to let those contracts go to a different source, you are talking about outsourcing, a political issue in and of itself.

Maybe the issue should be to examine WHY Halliburton is the only American company that is able to fulfill those kinds of government contracts. Is there something about the labor/business environment in the US that chased off those other companies or prevents their formation? Or is it a matter of how the contracts are written by the government? Could the labor required of Halliburton be broken among smaller companies? Or is it a mixture of the two?

Given that you think a system which forces people to buy insurance from private companies exemplifies 'socialism' you clearly have no clue what you're talking about on the subject and therefore your opinion may be safely disregarded.

And the wealthy get a real laugh about miserly people who are nowhere near wealthy, but rant and rave against the government not 'taking their money' to help the less fortunate...they thank you too...enjoy your extra chump change, they will enjoy their trillions...as long as the poor don't get helped and we don't elevate the lifestyle of the majority and lower income families, it's ok.

originally posted by: TheJourney
Given that you think a system which forces people to buy insurance from private companies exemplifies 'socialism' you clearly have no clue what you're talking about on the subject and therefore your opinion may be safely disregarded.

: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
Sounds like ACA could be considered socialism. That is why there is federal fine/fee is you do not pay in. It is controlled by the state and created for the whole and not the individual. Check your information before discarding other peoples opinion.
www.merriam-webster.com...


And the wealthy get a real laugh about miserly people who are nowhere near wealthy, but rant and rave against the government not 'taking their money' to help the less fortunate...they thank you too...enjoy your extra chump change, they will enjoy their trillions...as long as the poor don't get helped and we don't elevate the lifestyle of the majority and lower income families, it's ok.

Not sure if this could be defined as a statement or just rambling, so I cant respond.

originally posted by: kellynap43

originally posted by: TheJourney
Given that you think a system which forces people to buy insurance from private companies exemplifies 'socialism' you clearly have no clue what you're talking about on the subject and therefore your opinion may be safely disregarded.

: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
Sounds like ACA could be considered socialism. That is why there is federal fine/fee is you do not pay in. It is controlled by the state and created for the whole and not the individual. Check your information before discarding other peoples opinion.
www.merriam-webster.com...


And the wealthy get a real laugh about miserly people who are nowhere near wealthy, but rant and rave against the government not 'taking their money' to help the less fortunate...they thank you too...enjoy your extra chump change, they will enjoy their trillions...as long as the poor don't get helped and we don't elevate the lifestyle of the majority and lower income families, it's ok.

Not sure if this could be defined as a statement or just rambling, so I cant respond.

dictionary.reference.com...

Socialized healthcare is universal healthcare provided for all, funded through taxation. Forcing people to buy health insurance through private companies and fining them if they don't isn't socialized medicine. Socialized medicine takes the money issue out of health care. I have health insurance, which I pay for, and I still have to pay for medical treatment. Money is still a factor you have to consider when it comes to medical treatment. That is not socialized medicine.

The military issue has become a joke and the money being spent is wasted.

You could upgrade 100 Nukes to be more maneuverable and stealthy and no nation on Earth would dare attack us.

Who are our enemies? Russia? A nation with a population now nearly 1/3 our own? Sitting with vat tracts of empty land above China 1.5 Billion and next door to Europe 800 M? How are they going to hold territory?

China? Trying to modernize it's own population will run supply lines across the Pacific? That's affordable, they will use their entire army then impose a draft on their people who are kind of happy atm, run equipment through our defenses with huge looses then deposit the 10-20 Million people they would need to even have a hope and do this if even ONE missile of ours hit Beijing or Shanghai?

There isn't a nation on Earth that could handle even 5 major nuke strikes and still run an invasion.

No one...

Think about it. DC, NY, Philadelphia, LA, San Fran are Nuked.

1: Complete Power Grid failure
2: Loss of 70% of shipping (including food) all sorts of instant shortages, broken pipelines
3: Death toll of 30 Million or more
4: Mass inundation of healthcare system
5: Internet down in most places
6: Major political losses, military leadership losses, corporation losses.
7: Hollywood gone, silicon valley gone, wall street gone.
8: 2 Major nuclear meltdowns
9: American exports reduced by 2/3rds
10: Massive losses in Universities, Columbia, Stanford, NYU, Berkeley, many others and Scientists as well


Not even hitting the tip of the ice berg, virtually no one the public or the military would know of to listen to or lead be dead, the power would be out the internet and every major media source would be gone, food would start to vanish, no one would be able to access complete records on the public (there are secure d-bases) but who could access them beyond at best local police records? No stock market, hundreds of our best companies with no one in charge, the majority of sea access commercially lost, Tractors and machinery on farms stalled, Radiation contamination, grid goes down how many reactors go? Definitely the local ones in LA and NY maybe a lot more...

Hidden governments, a few Million people underground? what starving, sick people will follow the orders? who will care? how would you even send out orders? These are BS theories to convince enemies "you can survive" an attack but survive in charge of who or what and do what?

Sanders is the man because he's calling BS on the whole thing, we spend 1.2 Trillion dollars a year on absolute waste

You can't be truly attacked, if even 5 Nukes hit major targets your nation is done for years, no one can even remotely safely attack America we can't even be sure about attacking North Korea because of the consequences let alone anyone attack us, we can't afford Afghanistan in regards to Occupation let alone anyone afford to occupy America given the size and scope...

It's all a lie, it's about Offensive agendas which pose the ONLY possibility of anyone attacking us, no one would even think about it if we weren't rampaging around the globe.

Complicate it anyway you want it all boils down to BS and our money being stolen. You could reduce the US budget to 10% in regards to the Military and no one would attempt it for no reason. We maintain an "invasion" force, the projection of power and that is the very thing and only thing that can bring an attack because that sort of attack would be futile, sink the global economy, create worldwide starvation and you could never hold this Continent, no one has ever even held a country long lol...

a reply to: TheJourney

That you think money becomes less of an issue when the medicine is socialized is laughable.

Ask Canadians why their goods and services are more expensive on average than ours ... taxes to pay for their health care.

Ask the Canadians why their tax rates tend to be higher ... taxes to pay for their health care.

So instead of noticing the hit up front, you think you are getting it free. That's a lie; you are instead getting bled all year long in a thousand different ways for it. Death by a thousand financial paper cuts.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: whyamIhere

I actually insinuated you are smarter than to fall for Trump's bs.


Each to their own.

Interesting to watch all the people who claimed Ron Paul never had a chance get behind Sanders.

Sanders has LESS chance to win than Paul did.

Jeez even hearing the guy is running makes me fall asleep, we have advanced beyond such silliness. (Whatever that means lol)

I saw a great bumper sticker today that summed up this thread and many of the opinions expressed.

It read "I will not believe the Liberal Media"

LOL

I actually did laugh out loud as I walked past this car. I sincerely wished the owner would have been inside so I could have knocked on his window and asked. "So...you don't believe the liberal media, but where's the rest of the bumper sticker...you know that part about not believing conservative media as well.

Are we this brainwashed that we will believe one media side and ignore the other?

a reply to: gladtobehere

People are social creatures and Bernie is resonating amongst the humans. Socialist does not automatically equal ovens any more than health care equals death squad. Many are tired of other countries beating the US in every achievement list. How does Costa Rica beat us in literacy? The US is at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to providing its citizens with care as they should. Why? These are the same citizens who share their country and land with big polluters who consolidate and send jobs overseas with grant money intended to create more jobs.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Sremmos80

The issue with Halliburton is that it is the ONLY American company of its kind currently. There are other companies that can do the same kind of contracting work, but every one of them is foreign. So in order to let those contracts go to a different source, you are talking about outsourcing, a political issue in and of itself.

Maybe the issue should be to examine WHY Halliburton is the only American company that is able to fulfill those kinds of government contracts. Is there something about the labor/business environment in the US that chased off those other companies or prevents their formation? Or is it a matter of how the contracts are written by the government? Could the labor required of Halliburton be broken among smaller companies? Or is it a mixture of the two?

I think its the same reason we don't really hear much from Tesla. Hegemony, cronyism and greed.
He didn't have a chance. Sure there's better ideas out there, but Cheney won't let it happen.

a reply to: gladtobehere


Bernie Sanders is a "nothing" in the same way Jimmy Carter has been a big fat "nothing" all his life. If he isn't a larger than life bufoon carrying a big stick, he won't get any attention in gnat span.

In the end a man of principals who can't be bought or bribed is more valuable than gold.
People don't realize it until they're gone. The eulogies are heartfelt and the lines are long.
More than I can say for many who die as "something"
Those "somethings" are usually people nobody remembers or misses at all.

We need a leader for a president, someone who doesn't back down at the first sign of opposition (Trump).

Not someone who folds like a cheap lawn chair who couldn't even stand up to a couple of teenage BLM girls (Bernie).

Yes give the guy who backs down to trouble making teenagers control over our military as president, I don't see anything possibly going wrong there.

a reply to: jheated5

Trump doesn't stand up, he tells the opposition to shut up and calls them a loser like a 13 year old on Xbox live.

Real leader.

Bernine let the girls talk imo because he is pro protest and that is what they were doing.

You know exercising their rights.

Well, the lame duck Hillary Clinton has been first lady for eight years, Senator for two terms, and Sec State for at least one term, and pretty much accomplished NOTHING either.

She ranted today about wanting to do something about Gun Control, but did NOTHING about Gun Control over decades of having influence over people who could have started a bill going.

You don't have a right to rant about stuff when you didn't accomplish anything when you were in a position to do so.

originally posted by: Loveaduck
a reply to: gladtobehere


Bernie Sanders is a "nothing" in the same way Jimmy Carter has been a big fat "nothing" all his life. If he isn't a larger than life bufoon carrying a big stick, he won't get any attention in gnat span.

Jimmy Carter was a lousy President, but to say he's been a big fat nothing his whole life is very disingenuous.

He did a lot of good for a lot of people promoting and helping Habitat for Humanity. He's been a tireless negotiator for peace in many regions of the world and has had multiple successes.

Don't judge Jimmy Carter's entire life's work on the basis of the 4 years of his Presidency. Anyone who followed the mess Gerald Ford created was likely to be a huge failure.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TheJourney

That you think money becomes less of an issue when the medicine is socialized is laughable.

Ask Canadians why their goods and services are more expensive on average than ours ... taxes to pay for their health care.

Ask the Canadians why their tax rates tend to be higher ... taxes to pay for their health care.

So instead of noticing the hit up front, you think you are getting it free. That's a lie; you are instead getting bled all year long in a thousand different ways for it. Death by a thousand financial paper cuts.

Health Care costs have nothing todo with why Canadian goods are more expensive. Most of the reason is that the Canadian dollar is typically worth about 2/3 of the US dollar and many goods in Canada are imported, meaning goods are more expensive than the same thing in the USA.

Canadian tax rates are a 15-29 % range compared to 10% - 39.6% in the USA, so your claim that Canadians pay more tax because of health care is debunked pretty fast.

Not all Provinces give free health care. In British Columbia, the average premium is about $70 a month. In other states, such as Alberta, Government adds a tax amount to basic allowance to pay premiums for health care. Premiums are still counted at only $70 or so a month.

It's NOT free health care. Canadian FREE health care is a myth.

However, I'd MUCH rather pay my Canadian premiums than US ones.

And if I want a doctor in Canada, I visit my GP, or ANY walk in clinic, or ANY hospital, and it's covered. No one ever went bankrupt in Canada because of a medical bill for a week long hospital stay.

Enjoy your American "best health care system in the world". It's hilarious.

originally posted by: gladtobehere
This lame duck, do nothing, career politician has been in Congress since 1990.

Hes a self-described "democratic socialist".

For some odd reason, hes now getting a lot of positive attention (especially on ATS) but I'm not sure why.

Sanders is a typical socialist who wants the government to confiscate more of my hard earned money so it can be redistributed in the form of illegitimate social programs like Obamacare.

He's flip-flopped on the 2nd Amendment mainly because the constituents in his home state are pro-2A, its the only way he could get their support to ensure a win.

He initially seemed like an ally with regards to the Pauls' Federal Reserve bill but he flaked on that too.

Ron Paul says Bernie Sanders 'sold out' on Fed amendment.

I could go on but I think you guys get the point.

Dont get me wrong, if you support big government, anti-gun, socialist liberals, hes your man.

Speaking on behalf of everyone else, no thank you.

Stealing from one group and giving it to another is only considered stealing when it's from the rich to the poor not the poor to the rich.. which has been going on for quite sometime.

I for one would like to see the later happen at this point. Would bernie deliver?? Probably not but it would be more probably than anyone else since they cater to the rich a little too much.

I have seen bernies donors, I would rather have him than any of his peers.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
a reply to: gladtobehere

Bravo, the more idiotic stuff like this I read about Bernie the more apt I am to vote for him

Oh what your feeling is called the Bern! Get used to it. A political revolution is coming and Bernie is leading the charge.

political revolution coming????...where?....both the house and senate are controlled by republicans, and we have a conservative court....what revolution are you talking about?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Sremmos80

The one thing a private business has that government does not is the need to work against a budget and against the idea that if they do not produce the desired results, they can be fired.

Tell me the last time the government actually worried about coming in under budget or how we fire the government if it fails to produce the desired results.

And any time profit is the 'sole' motive you will have corners cut in materials, personnel, and quality of product.