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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Reallyfolks
But the one question I can't seem to get an answer for is if we implemented certain aspects of socialism such as providing basic needs for all what will those receiving beneifits give up?
Taxes, just as you do now.
Police and roads ok, but in that form of socialism see the benefits.
Then you agree with the benefits of socialism. I knew you would come around.
In each instance some one is providing something or giving something up
That's true. If you don't like socialism, quit using the roads we paid for.
They can see a return.
Perhaps it is the need for a return that has breed the police state. I hope ketsuko sees your post as it demonstrates that perfectly.
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Reallyfolks
But the one question I can't seem to get an answer for is if we implemented certain aspects of socialism such as providing basic needs for all what will those receiving beneifits give up?
Taxes, just as you do now.
Police and roads ok, but in that form of socialism see the benefits.
Then you agree with the benefits of socialism. I knew you would come around.
In each instance some one is providing something or giving something up
That's true. If you don't like socialism, quit using the roads we paid for.
They can see a return.
Perhaps it is the need for a return that has breed the police state. I hope ketsuko sees your post as it demonstrates that perfectly.
While nice deflect attempt at every turn overall it was a fail. If you honestly felt the question I was asking was not clear or you really addressed it I can ask again. I'm sure you amused yourself and that's what matter. Care to answer though? Its telling supporters never will.
originally posted by: xuenchen
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: xuenchen
The founding fathers talked about the importance of taxes. They must be socialist.
Thanks for the clarification.
Different kind of taxes, different kind of "Socialism"
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Reallyfolks
But the one question I can't seem to get an answer for is if we implemented certain aspects of socialism such as providing basic needs for all what will those receiving beneifits give up?
Taxes, just as you do now.
Police and roads ok, but in that form of socialism see the benefits.
Then you agree with the benefits of socialism. I knew you would come around.
In each instance some one is providing something or giving something up
That's true. If you don't like socialism, quit using the roads we paid for.
They can see a return.
Perhaps it is the need for a return that has breed the police state. I hope ketsuko sees your post as it demonstrates that perfectly.
While nice deflect attempt at every turn overall it was a fail. If you honestly felt the question I was asking was not clear or you really addressed it I can ask again. I'm sure you amused yourself and that's what matter. Care to answer though? Its telling supporters never will.
If I missed something, please be more specific. I believe I answered everything you asked. No need to deflect.
Taxes are what the providers give up, what do the people receiving benefits give up?
I was quite clear in showing that in all other examples someone receiving benefits gave something up as well
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Teikiatsu
I am a socialist and I know full well about socialism. What you are portraying is the ultimate extreme. I don;t agree with that whatsoever.
You don't have to agree with the extremes to believe in the basic principles of socialism.
Yep, utopian. Looks great on paper, fails miserably when put into practice.
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Teikiatsu
So the police are a failure? The military? The fire department?
How about the roads you drive on and the public works that make sure your water is clean?
You're welcome.
originally posted by: buster2010
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Teikiatsu
I am a socialist and I know full well about socialism. What you are portraying is the ultimate extreme. I don;t agree with that whatsoever.
You don't have to agree with the extremes to believe in the basic principles of socialism.
Yep, utopian. Looks great on paper, fails miserably when put into practice.
You mean except in the nations where socialism does work?
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: xuenchen
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: xuenchen
The founding fathers talked about the importance of taxes. They must be socialist.
Thanks for the clarification.
Different kind of taxes, different kind of "Socialism"
But socialism just the same.
I thank you very much for adding to this discussion as it allowed us to witness how the founding fathers agreed with certain principles of socialism.
originally posted by: buster2010
You mean except in the nations where socialism does work?
For what?
They aren't centrally planned, even the US Military.
originally posted by: xuenchen
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: xuenchen
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: xuenchen
The founding fathers talked about the importance of taxes. They must be socialist.
Thanks for the clarification.
Different kind of taxes, different kind of "Socialism"
But socialism just the same.
I thank you very much for adding to this discussion as it allowed us to witness how the founding fathers agreed with certain principles of socialism.
And I agree that they agreed.
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Reallyfolks
Taxes are what the providers give up, what do the people receiving benefits give up?
Good question. Perhaps it's better to look at what they are not giving up. In the case of food, shelter and healthcare, it is their life. We should care about that, right?
(If you try to respond with some sort of anti-abortion nonsense, I will not respond to it. That's a different matter all together)
I was quite clear in showing that in all other examples someone receiving benefits gave something up as well
What do you give up now to live in a "capitalist" society?
Me I give up taxes to live in this system.
Where are all the dead people now lining our streets from lack of providing needs
I understand the humane aspect of it but at the same time you can't have large groups of people not adding to the pool who have the ability to do so.
Meaning if you can work you have to
originally posted by: introvert
Isn't that what we do now, except we have to apply for benefits to subsidize our income because the corporations own our government?
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Reallyfolks
Me I give up taxes to live in this system.
Socialism.
Where are all the dead people now lining our streets from lack of providing needs
Dead, of course.
I understand the humane aspect of it but at the same time you can't have large groups of people not adding to the pool who have the ability to do so.
3-8% unemployment and a sales tax in almost every state. Where is this "large group" you speak of?
Meaning if you can work you have to
Isn't that what we do now, except we have to apply for benefits to subsidize our income because the corporations own our government?
No, more than a few of us have to work to pay for those benefits and subsidies for everybody else.
That's where we are going to butt some damn heads, because frankly I'm sick of sticky little fingers inside my wallet.
Sanders represents an escalation of that and, thus, is a piss poor choice for president.
If everyone is provided all needs you mean to tell me that wouldn't be an issue?
So you are saying the corporations should provide basic needs?
I give up taxes so that's socialism?