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Omsk UFO Report Aug 22

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posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: Scdfa

But you're always free to believe me.

Yes I have freedom to choose. But you are an anonymous person on the internet and the last time I trusted people from the internet it didn't go so well.


After all, who would you trust more than me to tell you it's true?
The news? The media?

I don't watch much news or television. I find pretty much all documentaries on this subject misleading. I used to listen to a lot of UFO guys like Friedman and Dolan and watch all the documentaries I could. At one time, I was pretty sure aliens were here and then I started asking questions and instead of getting answers I started getting attacked. So I have been labeled as something other than a believer.

So I'm not sure what the issue is with this thread. Yes UFOs are sometimes identified as rockets. It seems like they are sometimes thought to be alien. And that means exactly that. The question might be, to what extent is this true or how often does this happen? Maybe it doesn't happen as dramatically as is presented. I don't know. To me, its a fascinating topic.

I would think that critics would be more opposed to people trying to pass off videos of balloons as UFOs. But somehow someone identifying something as exactly what it is...
is bad? So I'm lost.



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posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 11:32 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Scdfa


It sure ain't the Rocket Forum.


It is aliens and UFOs. Jim has posted reports about a UFO. Deal with it.


I am dealing with it, in case you haven't noticed.
I'm pointing out that Jim cannot provide ANY evidence that ANYONE thought this rocket was aliens, a flying saucer, or an alien ship of any kind.

Since he has so many defenders here, maybe you could ask him to stop dodging my questions?



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 11:36 AM
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originally posted by: Aliensun

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MarioOnTheFly




My sources now reveal to me that it's a North Korean nuclear test gone awry.

Over Russia?


I would assume that he is making fun of Oberg's inserting UFO into the subject line and the thread itself when we all know that his job is to down play and ignore all decent UFO reports and play up those that have a conventional explanation. I would have thought you would have know that tactic of his by now.


can of worms, my friend, can of worms



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: ZetaRediculian





I would think that critics would be more opposed to people trying to pass off videos of balloons as UFOs. But somehow someone identifying something as exactly what it is...
is bad? So I'm lost.


I'm afraid I just don't believe you.
You know full well what our criticism of Jim Oberg's tactics are, we've spelled them out quite clearly.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist.
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posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 11:58 AM
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a reply to: Scdfa

I'm pointing out that Jim cannot provide ANY evidence that ANYONE thought this rocket was aliens, a flying saucer, or an alien ship of any kind.


Was it claimed that people were reporting aliens? So I don't see the point. I guess I could berate him about how nobody thought this was Elvis either.

You have also pointed out that most sightings go unreported.

I tell you what, if he did claim that people reported aliens in this case and he is trying to get one over on me, I will join you in derailing his next thread and cross him off my Christmas list.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: Scdfa

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Scdfa


It sure ain't the Rocket Forum.


It is aliens and UFOs. Jim has posted reports about a UFO. Deal with it.


I am dealing with it, in case you haven't noticed.
I'm pointing out that Jim cannot provide ANY evidence that ANYONE thought this rocket was aliens, a flying saucer, or an alien ship of any kind.

Since he has so many defenders here, maybe you could ask him to stop dodging my questions?


I have no evidence anyone thought this missile was an alien spaceship.

I have plenty of evidence some people thought it was a UFO.

Just like many people thought the pre-dawn Atlas launch from Florida thought -- and SAID -- it was a UFO.

Both the Atlas launch AND the Russian launch had similar visual results [and similar cultural effects] because their illumination conditions were identical -- ground observers in darkness, rocket high enough to be in sunlight, thrusting more or less horizontally. Just like over Norway, too [December 2009], with a unique upper stage maneuver added.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 12:05 PM
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originally posted by: Scdfa
a reply to: ZetaRediculian





I would think that critics would be more opposed to people trying to pass off videos of balloons as UFOs. But somehow someone identifying something as exactly what it is...
is bad? So I'm lost.


I'm afraid I just don't believe you.
You know full well what our criticism of Jim Oberg's tactics are, we've spelled them out quite clearly.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist.

Well there are accusations but I haven't seen anything to warrant them. There were witches in Salem too.



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: Scdfa




I'm afraid I just don't believe you.


Good for you, I am pretty sure your 'tactics' have convinced many of your readers not to have any faith in what you say, although its not frightening or anything to be afraid of, however I am just assuming.




You know full well what our criticism of Jim Oberg's tactics are, we've spelled them out quite clearly.


Yes, pretty much labeled him as disinfo shill using tactics that are so obvious to you.

Hmmm, how do you know so much about tactics of disinfo?





It doesn't take a rocket scientist.



No it takes an expert at alien encounters to know.


you haven't given us your usual line in this thread yet

"well, back in 66............" You should use that as your signature at the bottom of every post of yours, it would make it easier instead of typing it out once or more in every thread you post in.

You cant break your streak, every thread I have seen you post in you have repeated that line,

Don't let the good readers of ATS down,

How's your thread coming along that you said you were going to do?



posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 12:44 PM
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Yes, pretty much labeled him as disinfo shill using tactics that are so obvious to you.

Hmmm, how do you know so much about tactics of disinfo?



The same way I know so much about aliens, buddy. By encountering them directly.

And actually, it was a dozen other posters in the last few days who explicitly labeled Mr. Oberg as you describe.

I try not to label people.
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posted on Sep, 3 2015 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: JimOberg





I have no evidence anyone thought this missile was an alien spaceship.


Thank you for finally admitting this.
I respect you for doing so, Mr. Oberg.




I have plenty of evidence some people thought it was a UFO.


Yes, we all know that anything a witness can't identify is a "UFO".
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posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 08:42 AM
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a reply to: InhaleExhale


No it takes an expert at alien encounters to know.


Are you an expert in alien encounters, then?



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 10:49 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: InhaleExhale


No it takes an expert at alien encounters to know.


Are you an expert in alien encounters, then?


Heck no, but I am.



posted on Sep, 5 2015 @ 08:46 AM
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originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

a reply to: JackHill


You cannot 'misidentify' something as an 'UFO', UFO means 'unidentified flying object'.


You can't identify a UFO as an alien spaceship since its unidentified.









Relative. If I'm witness of an unknown craft, both in design and performance, that descends and non-human entities come down later, it certainly fits in the 'alien' category, by 'alien' meaning 'not part of our civilization'.


So would you presume that witnesses who made these drawings of what they saw pass over Kiev in 1963 were seeing a 'UFO'?



I don't see any landing of these images, or non-human entities descending.



posted on Sep, 5 2015 @ 08:56 AM
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originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: JackHill

You cannot 'misidentify' something as an 'UFO', UFO means 'unidentified flying object'.

You can't identify a UFO as an alien spaceship since its unidentified.




Relative. If I'm witness of an unknown craft, both in design and performance, that descends and non-human entities come down later, it certainly fits in the 'alien' category, by 'alien' meaning 'not part of our civilization'.

People see things that aren't there sometimes, even "entities". People have been seeing all types of apparitions for as long as there have been people. Nothing new there. But we were talking about Flying Objects that are Unidentified. in which case they can be identified as being a known thing. As far as "entities", I will withhold judgment until I can poke one with a stick.



Yeah well, the key on the whole stuff should be viewed according the patterns. If let's say, John from LA, Michael for NY and Rita fro FL watch small humanoid entities coming down from some sorft of craft that doesn't behave like anything we know in a time were cellphones, internet and cable TV wasn't invented we certaintly should pay attention. Not saying that from time to time, people will purposedly lie or simply being mistaken...

And let's not dig into the 'abductions', where the patterns are alarming.



posted on Sep, 5 2015 @ 09:06 AM
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originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: Scdfa

I said aliens. Quite clearly and specifically. Repeatedly.

yes but you have unfair advantage because you know of aliens personally while the rest of us have to wait for that knowledge from a verifiable source. So in my world there is only unidentified things and hallucinations of one sort or another. So in my world, Jim Oberg is spot on.



It doesn't matter what one person experienced, but what thousands did and how their experiences match in a terrific way. And lets just not talk about multiple witnesses at the same time... so yeah, something indeed has been happening, and all the alternative explanations given by the 'specialists' (sleep paralysis, mental disorders, hallucinations, confusion, dreams, etc.) won't simply explain those.

So you have two possibilities:

- They lied.
- They're telling the truth.

Considering that many of these witnesses even agreed to be tested in several ways, like for instance using lie detectors, I'll go with the last pick in a vast amount of the registered cases.

These folks aren't 'characters', they 'used to be' regular people that had the 'luck?' of become witnesses (and victims) of such events.



posted on Sep, 5 2015 @ 09:36 AM
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So you have two possibilities:

- They lied.
- They're telling the truth.


Just because they describe their experience as truthfully as possible does not mean they understand it. Strange experiences are evidence for nothing but the fact that people have strange experiences. Reducing them all to "little green men" is crassly materialistic and does not help to understand the phenomena.



posted on Sep, 5 2015 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: JackHill...

It doesn't matter what one person experienced, but what thousands did and how their experiences match in a terrific way. And lets just not talk about multiple witnesses at the same time... so yeah, something indeed has been happening, and all the alternative explanations given by the 'specialists' (sleep paralysis, mental disorders, hallucinations, confusion, dreams, etc.) won't simply explain those.

So you have two possibilities:

- They lied.
- They're telling the truth.



I suggest there is a third possibility that is not realized -- independent cuing based on existing common culture and similar personal memories.

Here's a striking visual report that backs that up:

www.jamesoberg.com...







Please re-read and ponder that final paragraph as it relates to your incomplete list of possibilities.
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posted on Sep, 5 2015 @ 10:30 AM
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a reply to: JackHill

It doesn't matter what one person experienced, but what thousands did and how their experiences match in a terrific way. And lets just not talk about multiple witnesses at the same time... so yeah, something indeed has been happening, and all the alternative explanations given by the 'specialists' (sleep paralysis, mental disorders, hallucinations, confusion, dreams, etc.) won't simply explain those.

A couple of things. First, you might want to stay on topic. this isn't a discussion about visions of landed crafts with beings. Second, you need to have some type of reference for your assertions because I have no idea where you are getting your information. Third, if you are going dismiss "explanations by specialists", you have to clue me in to that as well because I have provided links to some research with regards to this if you are talking about abductions and your generalizations are a bit inaccurate. And lastly, I really have no problem dismantling current main stream thought on this but that takes understanding what that really is. Otherwise, the only thing you are doing is making assertions and arguing with straw men.


So you have two possibilities:

- They lied.
- They're telling the truth.


Which category do you put: "sleep paralysis, mental disorders, hallucinations, confusion, dreams, etc."?



posted on Sep, 5 2015 @ 06:28 PM
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The problem is Jim Oberg has many reputable credentials and this thread is right up there with posting a youtube hoax video.

He got called out on it, and then backtracked saying he posted this to teach us how to identify a failed rocket launch.

It's really a case closed with the original post and the only discussion in the thread is calling out the OP.

Jim, did you expect anyone on ATS to have interest in 2 articles you linked that are not written in english? When you think about it, since it's not in english this is just local news and no one would have known about it in english reading countries.

Both links could be completely fake. How are any of us going to prove that this actually happened? Take your word for it? Isn't that what you are so highly against in Ufology? People's word?

Hypocrite.

I just googled UFO sighting in Omsk and the only thing that comes up is this thread! Fake! "Reports are rolling in..."

**Rolls eyes**

HOAX BIN



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 12:53 AM
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These folks aren't 'characters', they 'used to be' regular people that had the 'luck?' of become witnesses (and victims) of such events.


Well said, Jack Hill.

I find it hysterical when deniers try to say witnesses and contactees are in it for the money. That they are somehow getting rich off their experiences is totally absurd.

Show me the sales figures on any of these books. Who are they kidding.




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