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A soldier who was tracking a weather balloon told his commanders that what the AA gunners were firing at was weather balloons, and the timing of when the shooting started coincides perfectly with when the weather balloons were released, so there's not much doubt in my mind the weather balloons started the shooting by gunners with very itchy trigger fingers.
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
So not a single officer has the thought after a few minutes , 20 minutes, to call for a cease fire and assess?
Corporal John O'Connell, in charge of tracking the balloon, ran to me and reported, `Lieutenant, they're firing at my balloon!' I went to the theodolite to verify his report and, sure enough, bursts of AA fire were exploding all around it causing it to bounce and dance all over the sky. I immediately reported to our regimental commanding officer, Colonel Ray Watson, that the guns were firing at our balloon and that there were no aircraft in sight.'
Its really hard to gauge how seriously people in the ufo community take this case(scale of 1-10) or any other for that matter.
I dont recall seeing it the most believable thread or Isaac's list of best cases from the "experts"
Wait, Isaac has it 95 on his top 100 list.
Bruce Macabee did a long analysis of the picture, but I believe it is also the wrong negative. Ive had it in the maybe bucket.
Btw, the new sig more than makes up for the last one, very nice.
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
a reply to: Arbitrageur
There are varying reports out there from what I understand. I'm sure I could link but I'm not here to try and say this is what it was and come off as I know. I don't. Wasn't there. I simply don't buy weather balloon and I laid out why. If you do run with it.
originally posted by: clt1994
a reply to: mirageman
Speaking of IPU documents, is there any in existance that have been verified by people who work on old documents?
One thing we have no shortage of from that incident are false reports. OK I wasn't there, so how do I know they are false? Simple: There are too many contradictory versions of events for all of them to be true, so most must be false.
originally posted by: mirageman
One thing we haven't really discussed (that was presented in the documentary) are the reports that something was shot down. Especially at 180th Street and Vermont Avenue.
Chunks of metal were falling from the sky, that is true without a doubt...the remnants of the AA shells. Reading that report I think those falling chunks of metal is the most likely explanation for what was seen falling, and an observer might assume the chunks of metal were from a destroyed aircraft.
A desk sergeant at the 77th Street station informed headquarters he had seen two planes fall from the cone of the searchlight beams after strenuous anti-aircraft activity.
Actually the only thing that can be safely stated is that we had at least dozens of different eyewitness reports of what happened, and since they contradict each other, we know that almost all of them must be wrong and this eyewitness accounts of an event such as this cannot be trusted. It's impossible to conclude otherwise. Since the "downed plane" report apparently wasn't a "downed plane" but was instead "falling debris", I think it's reasonable to attribute that to the falling debris from the shells. I posted pictures of the shell fragments in the other thread and I was surprised at how large they are.
In the end, the only thing that can be safely stated is that if there was something up there then what was then called in war parlance an 'unidentified aerial target' was the first modern, well-reported incident of what is now known as an 'unidentified flying object', or 'UFO'.
US Army planes quickly took to the dark skies but whether they contacted the object has not been announced. Army officials say they will not comment until they receive a full report on the action. Although some watchers say they saw airplanes in the air, semi-official sources say they probably were the US Army’s pursuit. Several observers say they saw one or more planes spotlighted by 20 or 30 searchlights.