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Hawker Hunter crashes at airshow; multiple dead reported

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posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:58 PM
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a reply to: Kester

And crucify the pilots from the start and you don't solve or fix anything. Not one person has said to drop pilot responsibility from anything. If he did screw up then he should be held responsible.

But you don't decide the pilot is to blame before the fire is even put out without any facts to back it up.




posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Tighten the loop? You know that's not likely to have changed his position much.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:00 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Video is facts. He had plenty of open farmland to play with.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:01 PM
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a reply to: Kester

Yes it would have. If you are doing a 1G loop it's going to be a lot wider than a 5-6G loop. That's like saying when you do a turn in a car, barely turning the wheel is the same as cranking the wheel to the stop.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:02 PM
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a reply to: Kester

Video isn't fact. It's evidence. Fact is whether something broke, what his intentions were, etc. It doesn't tell you what was going on in the cockpit, what was going on with the elevators, what was said on the radio, or anything else.
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posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:04 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Damn Zaph I just saw your thread! And first I want to
say with a heart full of respect for the pilot and secondly
everyone else involved in this sadness. May their minds
find some comfort. Does the percentage of accidents at
these air shows seem high to you Zaph? As they do seem
to myself with admittance to no personal involvement in
aviation what so ever. And realising how much it sucks
having to say that.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:07 PM
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a reply to: randyvs

Not really. There are thousands of airshows a year around the world. They're set up with rules for the flight displays they generally do a very good job of protecting spectators.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:10 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Right on. So I was right to discredit my perception at least.
Thanks Zaph!



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:10 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

And would tightening the loop have put a lot more stress on this antique aircraft?



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:11 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

But we know what went on at ground level. Literal carnage as a by product of idle amusement.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:12 PM
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a reply to: Kester

No more than it was designed to handle.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

These weren't spectators.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:14 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Designed to handle after all these decades of stress, wear and corrosion?



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:21 PM
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originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: Zaphod58

Study the video evidence. He could have started the loop much earlier if he wanted to stay away from innocent wedding parties.


The second video in the thread that shows the plane in the seconds before going into the dual carriageway has some frames dropped I'm near sure, I've no idea why, but the bottom of the loop before that, looks pretty much okay.
In the first video taken from an upstairs window shows pretty much the same, but then it appears to drop out of the arc like a stone, just as if someone stood on it from above, or as if there was absolutely no resistance or air below.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:22 PM
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a reply to: Kester

Ever watched the Reno Air Races? Aircraft that flew in WWII pulling 9-10 Gs without a problem. Even after these years it wouldn't have had any problems pulling a tighter loop.

This aircraft was maintained well. It has flown shows for years with no problem. That means that age is almost certainly not a problem.
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posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:23 PM
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a reply to: Kester

And spectators aren't just people at the show. They're anyone in the area.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:34 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

That does sound a bit silly.


spectator
spɛkˈteɪtə
noun
plural noun: spectators
a person who watches at a show, game, or other event.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:38 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Sounds like you have an interest in defending the use of vintage aircraft for stunting. No problem. If there isn't a road full of uninvolved non-spectators directly beneath them.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:42 PM
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a reply to: smurfy

Had he carried on in the arc he would have passed low and loud over the busy road. As the experienced pilot intended.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 05:46 PM
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a reply to: Kester

And people have been known to stop along roads to watch airshows. And anywhere else they could.



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