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originally posted by: grandmakdw
My life is fantastic, just the best,
parody is wonderful and
a lot of people are upset by it, aight?
when I actually did what they
were defending to do?
laughing over what PP is doing,
after all they all said it was normal
and good and to be expected, didn't they? right?
I want to reassure you
I never contacted you nor do I intend to contact you,
so just relax and take a deep breath. Bitch.
Also your dumpster story is a lie. Even an incredibly busy clinic might perform3 a day.
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: dragonridr
Also your dumpster story is a lie. Even an incredibly busy clinic might perform3 a day.
I'm a dumpster diver from awaaay back. Don't even go there…
aborted fetuses found in dumpsters (search results)
The saved them up in freezers and 'disposed' of them all at once, usually after doing periodic "inventory" for accounting purposes. This was before "research" replaced that phenomenon.
ETA: In Particular:
16000 fetuses
originally posted by: dragonridr
originally posted by: Ignatian
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
"It's not illegal!!" This line of thought sickens me. Is it your only guide in life, wether something is illegal or not?
Have you ever heard of a concept called MORALITY?
"Based on emotion". Why is this? Why are people's emotions screaming at them that this is so blatantly wrong? It's that little annoying voice in their head called CONSCIENCE! Do you have one? Do you have morals?
The Law, does not drive the bus for morality. Morality drives the bus, the law sits way in back. Well, that's the way it's supposed to be, but we all know of course, in our modern world, it, like everything else is ass backward.
Abortion Laws....are bad laws, it's that simple. It's immoral. (Look it up)
Like it or not its the law. If you don't agree with it get the law changed though that might be a problem because the supreme court said women have this right. But if it were me and I truly was against abortion I wouldn't be standing on a soap box preaching I would be looking into ways to give women viable alternatives. Perhaps providing financial support for women that can't afford it. talk with teens about birth control and provide condoms to prevent teen pregnancy. And set up grants to help these young mother's since there schooling gets interrupted often leading to having to drop out. Maybe even home schooling to allow them to take care of the baby and attend school. Or at least free daycare.
Trying to push your beliefs on to others will accomplish nothing. And hate to tell you abortion will never be illegal in the US. It's been tried and removed. So then that outrage into helping young mother's with another choice.
originally posted by: muse7
a reply to: grandmakdw
Abortion is legal because it's better to provide a safe environment for abortions to take place, than to force women to go to clandestine clinics where they could also endanger their life as well.
Making abortion illegal will only help create an underground market of clandestine abortion clinics and the return of the back alley abortion.
originally posted by: grandmakdw
originally posted by: dragonridr
originally posted by: Ignatian
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
"It's not illegal!!" This line of thought sickens me. Is it your only guide in life, wether something is illegal or not?
Have you ever heard of a concept called MORALITY?
"Based on emotion". Why is this? Why are people's emotions screaming at them that this is so blatantly wrong? It's that little annoying voice in their head called CONSCIENCE! Do you have one? Do you have morals?
The Law, does not drive the bus for morality. Morality drives the bus, the law sits way in back. Well, that's the way it's supposed to be, but we all know of course, in our modern world, it, like everything else is ass backward.
Abortion Laws....are bad laws, it's that simple. It's immoral. (Look it up)
Like it or not its the law. If you don't agree with it get the law changed though that might be a problem because the supreme court said women have this right. But if it were me and I truly was against abortion I wouldn't be standing on a soap box preaching I would be looking into ways to give women viable alternatives. Perhaps providing financial support for women that can't afford it. talk with teens about birth control and provide condoms to prevent teen pregnancy. And set up grants to help these young mother's since there schooling gets interrupted often leading to having to drop out. Maybe even home schooling to allow them to take care of the baby and attend school. Or at least free daycare.
Trying to push your beliefs on to others will accomplish nothing. And hate to tell you abortion will never be illegal in the US. It's been tried and removed. So then that outrage into helping young mother's with another choice.
I won't speak for the others,
but I don't want to change the law to make
abortion illegal for under 24 weeks
when a baby has a close to 50/50 chance to survive outside the womb.
There is no reason for it, even if the life of the mother is in danger.
An abortion after 24 weeks uses the exact same method
as induced labor or a c-section,
except the baby is killed in utero before being delivered,
that in my opinion is murder, plain and simple and should be illegal.
After 24 weeks the baby should have the same chance to live as the mother.
What I want to see is respect for the unborn fetus
16 weeks and older when they are a fully formed human.
They deserve by law to get anesthesia
before being dismembered in the womb
or having their skulls crushed.
Do you know that a 16 week old fetus
has been observed with 3D sonogram to suck it's thumb,
to laugh, to shield its eyes from light and sonar?
We need to respect the 16+ week old fetus
in the same way we respect the clinically dead
but technically alive in a hospital.
Right now we treat the 16+ week old fetus as a
commodity or a research mouse,
this is morally and ethically wrong in so many ways.
For me personally, abortion under 15 weeks is
a tragedy, but should NOT be illegal for a multitude of
reasons. I personally find it morally wrong, but for
many reasons do not think it right to try and change
the law.
Between 16-24 weeks, abortion in my opinion is
more than a tragedy, it is the killing of a real
human being. However, for many reasons I do NOT
think it right to try and make it illegal.
I do however,
think that by law the 16-24 week old fetus should
be accorded the same rights as a brain dead person
in the hospital who is being prepared for organ
harvesting. The fetus should be treated with respect,
dignity and given anesthesia before being harvested
for research.
Those of you who feel that the 16+ week old fetus
deserves no respect
deserves no dignity
and does not deserve the dignity and care given
a brain dead human before harvesting,
I think are morally bereft.
As one poster defending this practice said in a post above
"morality is dead"
and implied I should be glad that morality is dead in the US.
Sorry, that is the ultimate in being morally bereft in my opinion,
but does explain the posts of many of the pro-abortionists on ATS.
Before you say this is rare, be aware that over 25,000 fetus each year are harvested in the US, and 9,000 over 14 weeks are harvested.
originally posted by: muse7
a reply to: grandmakdw
Abortion is legal because it's better to provide a safe environment for abortions to take place, than to force women to go to clandestine clinics where they could also endanger their life as well.
Making abortion illegal will only help create an underground market of clandestine abortion clinics and the return of the back alley abortion.
originally posted by: grandmakdw
originally posted by: muse7
a reply to: grandmakdw
Abortion is legal because it's better to provide a safe environment for abortions to take place, than to force women to go to clandestine clinics where they could also endanger their life as well.
Making abortion illegal will only help create an underground market of clandestine abortion clinics and the return of the back alley abortion.
Nothing any of you say will change my mind about abortion after 24 weeks
being out and out murder. (see my post above)
If you read my post carefully, you would have seen the word NOT
as in for many reasons I do NOT think that under 24 weeks it should
be illegal,
is it immoral in my opinion, yes,
but do I think it should be illegal, no.
I want the 16+ old fetus
to be treated
with respect
with dignity
and to be accorded the
same rights as a brain dead
person who is being prepared
to be harvested in a hospital.
Why do you have problems with that?
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: ~Lucidity
Lawsuits are in progress. We will have to wait and see.
Yah, okay. This will be handled officially like every other cover up… like Mannings video, like Ferguson, like endless war;
"no further investigation deemed necessary".
Holding out though too, a little spark of that hope, the judge lifted the ban on showing more vids.
Where would we be without that?
Can't wait for more CEOs off guard remarks, caught on tape.
originally posted by: muse7
originally posted by: grandmakdw
originally posted by: muse7
a reply to: grandmakdw
Abortion is legal because it's better to provide a safe environment for abortions to take place, than to force women to go to clandestine clinics where they could also endanger their life as well.
Making abortion illegal will only help create an underground market of clandestine abortion clinics and the return of the back alley abortion.
Nothing any of you say will change my mind about abortion after 24 weeks
being out and out murder. (see my post above)
If you read my post carefully, you would have seen the word NOT
as in for many reasons I do NOT think that under 24 weeks it should
be illegal,
is it immoral in my opinion, yes,
but do I think it should be illegal, no.
I want the 16+ old fetus
to be treated
with respect
with dignity
and to be accorded the
same rights as a brain dead
person who is being prepared
to be harvested in a hospital.
Why do you have problems with that?
I don't have a problem with anything, I just find it silly how you're making a big fuss about abortions after 24 weeks as if they're rampant.
Abortions over 21+ weeks make up 1.2% of all abortions.
Link
Even if you make them illegal, they will still occurr in a back alley somewhere.
originally posted by: Kapriti
a reply to: Profusion
I would not have thought this a decade ago, but it seems to me that severe human rights violations are a part of the activities of Planned Parenthood. Roe v. Wade was a decision rendered based upon what was known scientifically, and since then it has not been updated with what is known scientifically about the gestation and growth of the human body in utero. I would hope this would prompt the U.S. Americans to reconsider their jurisprudence in this regard.
Also, the trafficking in human body parts is something that needs to be stopped in totality. The U.S.A. needs to review and revise its laws in this regard so that they are strengthened.
At the very least Planned Parenthood facilities need to be inspected by federal and state officials to reveal all that is taking place that may be violation of federal and state law.
I am making a big fuss because the "extremely rare" over 24 week abortion translates into 9,000
as in nine thousand being performed each year in the US.
Not exactly rare either.
Why do you object to treating the 16+ week old
fetus with the same dignity and respect
we would give a brain dead adult being
prepared for organ harvest?