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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:00 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

National Socialism or Fascism saw itself as the Third Way standing between Communism on the left and Capitalism on the right. It sought to blend two antithetical systems into one functioning whole. So, Fascism will always have elements of the Far Left but also the Far Right. That is what it was designed to do as the Third Way.




posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

You obviously have no Sense of Social Decorum , a Lame Keyboard Warrior Without a Clue . Fascism is a Far Left Ideology , if you cannot Comprehend that , then try reading a History Book .............



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:03 PM
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Fascist can be left or right depending on policies enacted.
Communism is of left persuasion.
Old definitions no longer work. Conservatives tend to back the current cultural climate or just previous while progressives push towards something else. Both have an important part to play. Ying and yang, stability vs change.
Some words like liberal have been so perverted the word should be executed. How a word goes from free market minimal government to leftism is beyond me.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:04 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Okay.

What "PC" is that?

Quote something?

And, just out of curiosity since we're such a curious bunch this evening ... is that the extent of what you consider "PC"?



Uhhh the left PC? duh? Do you need pictures? lol


Isn't that cute.


LOL



No, no picture needed ... I just need you to make some sense if you have any to offer.

None is apparent at this point, just childish nonsense.

Here, I'll help: provide us with an example of "left PC" which states that if someone disagrees that means your racist.

That was your claim, your idea, ... the point of what you said.

Do you have proof, or were you just blabbering?


I shouldn't have to provide anything as it is not a claim, it is well established in fact. You don't remember Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi? Its all there for you to find.

I expect that you will tell me its my "job" and what not to provide proof, pointing to a certain logical fallacy. And that since I haven't done so, you deem my statements irrelevant. But the truth is, it looks like you refuse provided proof if it doesn't fit your views. Who has time for that?



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:04 PM
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I've been saying this for years. It's an easy proof.

1) Conservatism (aka Classical Liberalism) calls for smaller, decentralized government
2) Modern Liberalism (aka Progressivism, Statism, Leftism, Socialism) calls for larger centralized government
3) Fascism requires a large centralized government to be implemented
4) Ergo, Fascism spawns from Modern Liberalism



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:09 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Cutting grass at Harvard?

Well, at least you got there.


Wow. As a Hispanic, that's actually kind of offensive. At least I work hard to provide food for my family..


As for my point, the point is that you rely on second or third hand accounts, and I'm providing you with first hand experience. But I see you easily dismiss that as much as you dismiss grass cutting.

I'm not gonna call you a racist, but you might wanna rethink how you argue with people..



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:16 PM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Gryphon66

You obviously have no Sense of Social Decorum , a Lame Keyboard Warrior Without a Clue . Fascism is a Far Left Ideology , if you cannot Comprehend that , then try reading a History Book .............


Decorum? LOL that's funny coming from you.

Fascism is not a "far left" ideology, has never been thought of as "far left," has been proven not to be such time and time again in this very thread, and you are the last person who needs to try to insult someone else's intelligence.

You make asinine pointless statements, you offer nothing to back up what you say, and you're obnoxiously arrogant while doing it.

Read a history book yourself, nit. When you do, and you find out that fascism is not leftist by any reasonable definitions of the two words ... give yourself a cookie to reinforce the idea.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:19 PM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Gryphon66

" The statement about college students being far leftists was ridiculous. "


Prove that Otherwise , or STFU .



But contrary to conservative rhetoric, studies show that going to college does not make students substantially more liberal.


New York Times 2012

There ya go. Interesting study referenced in the article. Read (at least) the article before you pop off there cupcake.

Personally, I think that you're both wrong, being thoroughly entrenched in opposing opinions and ya' just keep digging in. Not to mention, completely out of line and should take a time out and let the grown ups talk at this point.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:20 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

So no source that you're willing to share.

Pick it apart? LOL, okay ... it's BS.

There. That's more of an answer than you've provided.


Well it looks like nobody can show any valid counter-points.

So I guess the theory stands tall.

All I see is denial.



continue with the tangents.

I like it.




posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:22 PM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454

And they say that leftists are sensitive ...

As a Hispanic, do you find that you think less of people who cut grass? As Scot-Irish, I certainly don't.

I'm sorry if you don't feel good about what you do for a living.

Remember, you asked ME if I'd been to Harvard? I haven't. You have been. "Well, at least you got there."

Perhaps the context of what I said is more clear now.

I rely on second or third hand accounts OF WHAT? The supposed far leftist nature of University Students?

Alright. I'll give you that Harvard is probably a bit "leftist" ... why not? What does that prove about any other university?

And you can feel free to call me a racist if you like. I haven't said anything downing either grass-cutting, Hispanics, or you.

You might want to consider toughening your internet skin if you're going take offense where there was absolutely no reason to do so.

Best.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:24 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Valid counter points to what? Your imaginary little graphic that you won't cite the source of?

It's BS. It's one-sided. There's no reference points for the scale used. There's no factual basis of how the different categories were scored.

In short, BS.

Although I don't doubt you believe it, I'd wager that the source is another right-winger rag like you quoted in the OP.

I'm hurt that you won't give your definition of Marxism though Xuenchen ... I answer your questions all the time.

*sniff*



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:28 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Wardaddy454

And they say that leftists are sensitive ...

As a Hispanic, do you find that you think less of people who cut grass? As Scot-Irish, I certainly don't.

I'm sorry if you don't feel good about what you do for a living.

Remember, you asked ME if I'd been to Harvard? I haven't. You have been. "Well, at least you got there."

Perhaps the context of what I said is more clear now.

I rely on second or third hand accounts OF WHAT? The supposed far leftist nature of University Students?

Alright. I'll give you that Harvard is probably a bit "leftist" ... why not? What does that prove about any other university?

And you can feel free to call me a racist if you like. I haven't said anything downing either grass-cutting, Hispanics, or you.

You might want to consider toughening your internet skin if you're going take offense where there was absolutely no reason to do so.

Best.


Tsk tsk, sidestepping and deflection.

"best" as you say.
edit on 21-8-2015 by Wardaddy454 because: the mug



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:33 PM
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LOL ... what is sidestepping?

I addressed your assertion that your experiences at Harvard proved something about all college students.

I addressed your hurt feelings at something I didn't say.

I addressed your attempt to critique what I've said to others in this thread about the topic..

I addressed your apparently poor memory about what you had said to me a few posts ago ...

... what else? Nope, that's about it.

No sidestepping here. Just facts.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:39 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

Valid counter points to what? Your imaginary little graphic that you won't cite the source of?



Those, and the points in the article.

You've been avoiding all that haven't you.

naughty naughty







posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:46 PM
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In my opinion all political ideologies are not on a linear "far left" and "far right" projection for the simple fact that those governments (not the individual taxpayer, voter, citizen - but the government) at both extremes share similar ideals - that of total control.

The taxpayer, voter, citizen is in the middle of a big circle - at the leading edge of that circle, and encompassing it's entire perimeter lie all the political persuasions currently available to men such that there is no beginning and no end - they all exist to control us and keep us in the centre of the circle.

Thats fascism imo - disguised as freedom........because you vote for your candidate on the edge of the circle without realising that your boundary is set.

True freedom has the government at the centre of that circle and the citizens on the perimeter.

I call that political persuasion "Freedomism" because the government works for me, and not the other way around.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:50 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

I have avoided nothing.

I answered your questions.

You won't, or can't answer mine.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
In my opinion all political ideologies are not on a linear "far left" and "far right" projection for the simple fact that those governments (not the individual taxpayer, voter, citizen - but the government) at both extremes share similar ideals - that of total control.

The taxpayer, voter, citizen is in the middle of a big circle - at the leading edge of that circle, and encompassing it's entire perimeter lie all the political persuasions currently available to men such that there is no beginning and no end - they all exist to control us and keep us in the centre of the circle.

Thats fascism imo - disguised as freedom........because you vote for your candidate on the edge of the circle without realising that your boundary is set.

True freedom has the government at the centre of that circle and the citizens on the perimeter.

I call that political persuasion "Freedomism" because the government works for me, and not the other way around.


Extremism is the enemy, indeed.

Wherever, whatever, however.

Excellent post!



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

So no source that you're willing to share.

Pick it apart? LOL, okay ... it's BS.

There. That's more of an answer than you've provided.


Well it looks like nobody can show any valid counter-points.

So I guess the theory stands tall.

All I see is denial.



continue with the tangents.

I like it.



The specific defining characteristics of fascism are debated. Nationalism is generally considered a characteristic and that could be considered leftist though. Many of the other aspects could go to the right however, if the academics could agree on them that is. It also depends upon the leader implementing it and the cultural pressures at hand; and even then, whether or not that specific leader was a fascist or whether or not the resulting political ideology was fascism per se is often debated.

These are broad, social concepts and pinning it down to a specific definition is difficult, let alone characterizing it as "left" or "right". Ultimately if you lean far enough either way you just end up going in circles, which is why so many people in this thread screaming one at the other from both sides of this "debate" sound just like each other. "I'm right and you're wrong, and if you don't agree or shut up then you're just a stupid head..." and on and on and on. If you get too entrenched in a ideology you can end up with fascism.


edit on 21-8-2015 by redhorse because: needed a comma



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 08:02 PM
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a reply to: redhorse

The article is talking about degrees of coercion against harmless individuals.

Those would be things to compare between ideologies.

And the story claims the political spectrum is straight line, not circular.

I think it's an interesting concept with many similarities to authoritarianism.




posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 08:04 PM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
In my opinion all political ideologies are not on a linear "far left" and "far right" projection for the simple fact that those governments (not the individual taxpayer, voter, citizen - but the government) at both extremes share similar ideals - that of total control.

The taxpayer, voter, citizen is in the middle of a big circle - at the leading edge of that circle, and encompassing it's entire perimeter lie all the political persuasions currently available to men such that there is no beginning and no end - they all exist to control us and keep us in the centre of the circle.

Thats fascism imo - disguised as freedom........because you vote for your candidate on the edge of the circle without realising that your boundary is set.

True freedom has the government at the centre of that circle and the citizens on the perimeter.

I call that political persuasion "Freedomism" because the government works for me, and not the other way around.


You are basically right of course, the duopoly of Republicans and Democrats are both about totalitarianism of slightly differing persuasions. In my opinion they are both socialist parties based on the policies enacted by both.

The confusion comes in with the introduction of vague and/or relative terms like liberal and conservative.



The center isn't between Republicans and Democrats, I think the natural center is between statists and libertarians though I would prefer that it be between minarchists and anarcho-capitalists.




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