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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 06:32 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: xuenchen



I want to see the entire context of those cherry-picked references.


There you go. They are cheap. Happy reading.

www.alibris.com...
books.google.co.uk...
www.amazon.com...
www.historyinreview.org...


Very Authoritarian to demand a purchase of a corporate product.

Excellent example.





posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 06:35 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: xuenchen



I want to see the entire context of those cherry-picked references.


There you go. They are cheap. Happy reading.

www.alibris.com...
books.google.co.uk...
www.amazon.com...
www.historyinreview.org...


Very Authoritarian to demand a purchase of a corporate product.

Excellent example.





You expect them to give you their products???

Socialist! Entitlement!



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 06:35 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen


You have done research - present it then! What research have you done? What and who are your sources other than the obviously biased Mr. Goldberg? What besides Conservative Daily News has your attention?





posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 06:37 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen



Very Authoritarian to demand a purchase of a corporate product.

Excellent example.


Are you for real?

After wanting to read those books for yourself and I went out of the way to find those books for you (even right now as we speak I am trying to find online version) and you reply like that?



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 06:37 PM
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originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: xuenchen


You have done research - present it then! What research have you done? What and who are your sources other than the obviously biased Mr. Goldberg? What besides Conservative Daily News has your attention?




I'd be glad to see a definition of leftist that wasn't merely fascist.

Then there hasn't been much here on the OP's side except circular logic for *looks down* oh, 73 pages or so.

ETA:

The fascists are leftists because fascists are leftists.

73 pages of that.

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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 06:38 PM
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originally posted by: FlyingFox

The relationship between Right and Left isn't linear, it's circular. Both extreme ends meet back in the same place.


I bet if you had been able to post this earlier, the whole conversation would have gone in a different direction !!

Assuming the "Right-Left" meeting place would be at Midnight (or Noon) on a clock, what "in between" systems would be meeting at 6 o'clock or 3 o'clock, or 9 o'clock?

Like who would be sitting at 5:59 and 6:01?




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 06:41 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: xuenchen



I want to see the entire context of those cherry-picked references.


There you go. They are cheap. Happy reading.

www.alibris.com...
books.google.co.uk...
www.amazon.com...
www.historyinreview.org...


Very Authoritarian to demand a purchase of a corporate product.

Excellent example.





You expect them to give you their products???

Socialist! Entitlement!


Of course not.

But I expect to be able to see sources in their entirety when used to make definitive and absolute assessments.




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 06:43 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: xuenchen



Very Authoritarian to demand a purchase of a corporate product.

Excellent example.


Are you for real?

After wanting to read those books for yourself and I went out of the way to find those books for you (even right now as we speak I am trying to find online version) and you reply like that?


It's not about you is it.

It's about the sinister practices used to define important issues.

And, it's not about me either is it.




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 06:50 PM
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originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: xuenchen


You have done research - present it then! What research have you done? What and who are your sources other than the obviously biased Mr. Goldberg? What besides Conservative Daily News has your attention?




One reference is back on page 2....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And I certainly wouldn't expect any Left Wing sources to agree Fascism is even remotely related to anything Left Wing.

That is the crux of the controversy isn't it.

It's all about eliminating the threatening similarities.




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 06:54 PM
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And I certainly wouldn't expect any Left Wing sources to agree Fascism is even remotely related to anything Left Wing.


Didn't you mean Far Left Wing?

Both Far Left and Far Right Wings are authoritarian in nature.

Are you authoritarian? Am I authoritarian?

Didn't think so.
edit on 8/29/2015 by Deaf Alien because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Now we're getting somewhere.

What is your definition of "Left Wing" ?




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 07:45 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Let's start with this...

Far Left Wing Is for egalitarianism.

Far Right Wing Is against egalitarianism.

Fascism Is against egalitarianism.

Also let's see what Mussolini had to say about his ideology:

"Granted that the 19th century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the 20th century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century. If the 19th century was the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State."



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

The rich reference to "egalitarianism" places Fascism in line with the USSR, China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, etc.

So you are telling us those governments are "Right Wing".

OK.

Then who has or is actually practicing "egalitarianism" full scale ?




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 07:55 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Oh for f's sake. *shakes my head hard* You are not really even trying or as one poster pointed out you are doing this for amusement not for serious discussion.

And besides I noticed you didn't talk about the quote from Mussolini. It is straight out of horse's mouth as they say.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 08:02 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: xuenchen

Oh for f's sake. *shakes my head hard* You are not really even trying or as one poster pointed out you are doing this for amusement not for serious discussion.

And besides I noticed you didn't talk about the quote from Mussolini. It is straight out of horse's mouth as they say.


One thing at a time.

Who is and/or has ever practiced full "egalitarianism" per your definition of "Left Wing" ?



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 08:06 PM
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Who is and/or has ever practiced full "egalitarianism" per your definition of "Left Wing" ?


Why do you think I posted that quote? That is your answer.

And since you love books why don't you read Mussolini's essay?

www.worldfuturefund.org...



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 08:24 PM
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Fascism is therefore opposed to all individualistic abstractions based on eighteenth century materialism; and it is opposed to all Jacobinistic utopias and innovations.




Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity . It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people.


Does that sound pro-egalitarianism?

Read Mussolini's essay. It's quite enlightening.
edit on 8/29/2015 by Deaf Alien because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

LOL as I was reading Mussolini's essay I came across this:




REJECTION OF EGALITARIANISM

In rejecting democracy, Fascism rejects the absurd conventional lie of political equalitarianism, the habit of collective irresponsibility, the myth of felicity and indefinite progress.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 08:54 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

OK.

So Il Duce's version of Fascism is his own version of Socialism with changes.

The majority of his "list" resembles many of the same things generally known as USSR, China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, etc. style Communism doesn't it.

Unless like I asked, those are not really anything "Left Wing" but are generally accepted as such.

Correct?

And then back to your "egalitarianism" .... where is it manifested in any government now or in the past?




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen



And then back to your "egalitarianism" .... where is it manifested in any government now or in the past?


You already listed them silly boy or have you already forgotten?

You are really reaching too hard.

Even you don't accept Mussolini's own words.

Wow. Just wow.

Nothing satisfies you.




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