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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Which two things have more in common?

The first two because the third doesn't even exist.


That's true verbatim. But did you know

The US was close to that in the 1800's. For the average person, the US government was the tariff and the post office, and nothing else.

The US government was pretty close to legal resolution and nothing else.


Care to name a date-range for this claim and look at historical facts?

Care to locate your "average person" in either a rural or metropolitan setting?


90% of the population was rural until the 20th century, in round numbers

If you don't know that, your opinions are ridiculous.


I've stated repeatedly that your opinions are not only ridiculous but absurd and without any factual basis, and I'm still talking to you.

Moreover, that's not an answer to the question.

Is your "average person" (an imaginary postulation) rural or metropolitan?




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Semicollegiate

A State that has totalitarian control over the population is not leftist, regardless of the propaganda.

The right-wing state with totalitarian control is redundant. All totalitarian states are right-wing.

A small government still has rules, practices, and laws, and some method to enforce same, i.e. it is still authoritarian.

The adjective "small" in moderation of "government" is easily one of the most abused terms in the English language.



Well now somebody needs to edit the wiki page Cuba

I guess they are a Right Wing outfit in disguise




The Republic of Cuba is one of the world's last remaining socialist countries following the Marxist-Leninist ideology. The Constitution of 1976, which defined Cuba as a socialist republic, was replaced by the Constitution of 1992, which is "guided by the ideas of José Martí and the political and social ideas of Marx, Engels and Lenin."[120] The constitution describes the Communist Party of Cuba as the "leading force of society and of the state".



North Korea too I think.




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Socialism is an economic system.

We're talking about government systems.

Neither Cuba nor North Korea are Republics, no matter what they call themselves, wouldn't you agree?

Sort of like the National SOCIALISTS, wouldn't you agree?


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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:04 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

The rebels were Right, Washington et al. were Left.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:06 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Which two things have more in common?

The first two because the third doesn't even exist.


That's true verbatim. But did you know

The US was close to that in the 1800's. For the average person, the US government was the tariff and the post office, and nothing else.

The US government was pretty close to legal resolution and nothing else.


Care to name a date-range for this claim and look at historical facts?

Care to locate your "average person" in either a rural or metropolitan setting?


90% of the population was rural until the 20th century, in round numbers

If you don't know that, your opinions are ridiculous.


I've stated repeatedly that your opinions are not only ridiculous but absurd and without any factual basis, and I'm still talking to you.

Moreover, that's not an answer to the question.

Is your "average person" (an imaginary postulation) rural or metropolitan?





I answered that. check the context.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate


I answered that. check the context.


No, you didn't. You claimed "an average person" ... where does your average person live and in what year?

It's not really a hard question.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:16 PM
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I tend to think of AC in terms of economics.

Economics determines the standard of life of a society. It determines how much wealth and free time the average person has.

Politics can make that standard lower, but higher only temporarily and superficially.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

Socialism is an economic system.

We're talking about government systems.



Oh. But wiki says different and they have credible sources !!



Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy,[1][2] as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.[3][4] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership (achieved by nationalization), citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.





posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

I wasn't asking what side of the spectrum you thought they were on.

And, it doesn't change the fact that it happened around the time which you claim was closest to "A small government that has only serves as legal dispute resolution."

Sure it was a tug of war between the federalists and the classic liberals but it wasn't one sided even with Jefferson as president.

Also a government structure existed in the colonies before the revolution and in the states after the revolution.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Notice that Wiki does not say that socialism is a mode of or type of government.

Again, for some, the meaning of words matter.
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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

Notice that Wiki does not say that socialism is a mode of or type of government.

Again, for some, the meaning of words matter.


But it takes an authoritarian government to implement policies as it suggests.

"State" ownership would be a government structure.




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm not doing your research for you.

This is not how argument works.

If you make a claim, you provide a source.

Either at the onset of the claim, or when asked for it.

If you are unprepared and say to someone else that the should 'do their research' then you ought to be ignored. The only real exception to this is when you cannot hotlink to something but you still need to provide search terms and a specific thing to look-up.

Here, let me show you a 'do your research' elsewhere on this ATS:
Claim: Hansen wrote "hide the decline"
Request: reference for that claim (as far as I knew, it didn't exist; cursory search failed to find it)
Repeated request after getting ignored
Response: 'google it'
Rebuttal: I guess it doesn't exist; he's thinking of someone else and is wrong
Reply: he insists it exists and that I should google it
Rebuke: I want him to provide a reference to what he's talking about, because I can't find it
Fin: No further response, so I post the email he appears to think Hansen wrote
No further response to this... I guess it was embarrassing. People don't like to admit they are wrong.

I'm not saying you are; I haven't looked at it. However, do you really think a reply of 'google it' is the right approach?


This is Gryphon we are talking about, he isn't making any argument, just being argumentative.

I would be happy to discuss something with you and even do some research for you but, not that jerk.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

That's not what your source states.

Didn't you read it?




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

Socialism is an economic system.

We're talking about government systems.

Neither Cuba nor North Korea are Republics, no matter what they call themselves, wouldn't you agree?

Sort of like the National SOCIALISTS, wouldn't you agree?



Wow, what an idiot.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: greencmp

Ah ... What was it you said? When one resorts to ad hominem you've lost the argument?

Of course I don't expect you to stand behind your claims; you repeatedly prove yourself to be a liar, and not a good one.

You still didn't show any quote comment or anything else demonstrating that Margaret Sanger influenced Adolf Hitler. Why not just admit it?



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: greencmp

Ah ... What was it you said? When one resorts to ad hominem you've lost the argument?

Of course I don't expect you to stand behind your claims; you repeatedly prove yourself to be a liar, and not a good one.

You still didn't show any quote comment or anything else demonstrating that Margaret Sanger influenced Adolf Hitler. Why not just admit it?


Fool, be quiet, the adults are trying to have a conversation.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 01:10 PM
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Blech never mind.
edit on 8/29/2015 by Deaf Alien because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

That's not what your source states.

Didn't you read it?



So how would "State" ownership be non-governmental and authoritative?




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 01:16 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

It's your source ...

Don't you understand its claims?



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: greencmp

Typical right wing response.

I prefer not to comply Herr Greencmp.

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