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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:17 AM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: greencmp

I understand. It doesn't matter what they call themselves as. The action speaks louder.



They tend to include disregard or disdain for egalitarianism, if not overt support for social inequality and social hierarchy, elements of social conservatism and opposition to most forms of liberalism and socialism.


That's a part of the definition of far right wing ideology.

I guess you can say that she is both left and right. She did support women's rights and the right to their bodies.


I am a man so it is difficult but, not impossible to empathize with the burden of childbearing.

I can see that such an issue could give zero options to a woman but the one party which promises reproductive freedom.

But, we no longer live in that world and we need not assert totalitarian control to effect change.




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:21 AM
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a reply to: greencmp



But, we no longer live in that world and we need not assert totalitarian control to effect change.


It is more in a reaction to the status quo. Ensuring that everyone has equal rights is not authoritarian or totalitarian.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:26 AM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: greencmp



But, we no longer live in that world and we need not assert totalitarian control to effect change.


It is more in a reaction to the status quo. Ensuring that everyone has equal rights is not authoritarian or totalitarian.


Maybe I am wrong but, abortion is legal and wasn't on the radar until the manufactured "war on women" phenomenon.

I think you guys attracted some negative attention.

As a libertarian, I am pro life. As a libertarian I also have no say. It is a quandary.

However, if such things are brought into the public spectacle, one can neither withhold nor dismiss heartfelt opinion.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:33 AM
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a reply to: greencmp



"war on women" phenomenon


Women have always been lower class with little or no right.



As a libertarian, I am pro life


That's fine. We are entitled to our own opinions.

Anyway the left is about equality and the right is about hierarchy and tradition. (Well that's too simple of an explanation but I am drunk right now to explain more.)

I may be a "leftist" but I disagree with the far-left wing ideology.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:35 AM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: greencmp



"war on women" phenomenon


Women have always been lower class with little or no right.



As a libertarian, I am pro life


That's fine. We are entitled to our own opinions.

Anyway the left is about equality and the right is about hierarchy and tradition. (Well that's too simple of an explanation but I am drunk right now to explain more.)

I may be a "leftist" but I disagree with the far-left wing ideology.


Sláinte




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:39 AM
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a reply to: greencmp




Sláinte





posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:48 AM
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The relationship between Right and Left isn't linear, it's circular. Both extreme ends meet back in the same place.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 01:17 AM
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originally posted by: greencmp
I wouldn't necessarily expect communities to stand for it and I expect it would be handled but, perhaps not quickly enough.

Especially for the guy hog tied in the back of the truck.


It couldn't be any more difficult than removing an offending LEO is currently.

It would be if you are allowed to take care of your own affairs.

A perfect example is street gangs. Although outside the law by choice, they can have rivalries that span decades.

Yes, I know that the laws against drugs are the main reason for their existance but this isn't about why they exist but more about how they behave.


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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 02:24 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

You certainly fit snugly under the label of liberal, I don't know how one could keep up this trivial and pointless debate for 58 pages otherwise. Surely you have other things to do? Protest manspreading perhaps?

The fact is, fascism as in corporatism has flourished under Obama. Care to tell me how many Monsanto employees work for the federal government and vice versa?

Liberals are caught in a giant knot of cognitive dissonance because every effort they so carelessly champion ends up being a tool for oppression and division as it gets co-opted with the liberals having not the slightest suspicion of the fact. Never has there been a group more fit for the label of useful idiots. The "beautiful soul"(the self-righteous soul) in Lacanian psychoanalysis blames the disorder found in her world on others.

You just don't quit do you? Committed to the tedious. Champion of nothing. In the end you haven't even experienced socialism and you're hopelessly stuck in the dialectic with the rest of the monkeys defending your chosen dogma like a true believer.. It is probably but chance that you were indoctrinated by neoliberalism instead of anything else. You can argue, but is there one original thought in your head?



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 02:28 AM
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a reply to: TheLaughingGod



fascism as in corporatism has flourished under Obama.


Oh my god. You are really clueless.



You can argue, but is there one original thought in your head?


You are the one who keep parroting their thoughts.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 02:34 AM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

Oh it hasn't? I guess Obama stopped the lobbying in Washington, did I miss that?

Do YOU care to point out how many Monsanto employees there are in Obama's administration? Goldman Sachs?

Do answer. I'll wait.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 02:48 AM
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a reply to: TheLaughingGod

I'm discussing this with myself? Typical right-winger, you deny what is in front of your face.

I personally am not opposed to manspreading.


I am amused by your use of the word "fact."

Yada yada liberals.

I don't quit? Says the numbskull who's responding to me.

(You may have noted, your post is not worth screen-scroll for more complete responses.)



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 02:58 AM
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Sanger was a eugenicist, as were many in 1912.

Social Darwinist? If so, she was right-wing not left-wing. Social Darwinism is about an innate hierarchy.

I'd love to see actual proof that Hitler was influenced by Sanger; for her part, she hated the Nazis.

Sanger was against abortion. She was for birth control methods.

But, surprise, another right-wing propaganda thread in which lies about Sanger are trotted out when completely off-topic.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 02:59 AM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

Enjoying the ping-pong match from Hell?

Good on you. I finally tired of typing to idiots.




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 03:22 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Sanger was a eugenicist, as were many in 1912.

Social Darwinist? If so, she was right-wing not left-wing. Social Darwinism is about an innate hierarchy.

I'd love to see actual proof that Hitler was influenced by Sanger; for her part, she hated the Nazis.

Sanger was against abortion. She was for birth control methods.

But, surprise, another right-wing propaganda thread in which lies about Sanger are trotted out when completely off-topic.


Margaret Sanger Quotes, History, and Biography
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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 03:25 AM
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a reply to: greencmp

Propaganda from a right-wing anti-choice site.

Next?

ETA:

Well, after your stealth edit, perhaps some clarification is in order:

"Margaret Sanger quotes (taken completely out of context), history (according to your abortion zealot propaganda site) and biography (as fabricated by the same folks."

That'd be a bit more honest.
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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 03:28 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: greencmp

Propaganda from a right-wing anti-choice site.

Next?


Unsurprising.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 03:30 AM
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originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: greencmp

Propaganda from a right-wing anti-choice site.

Next?


Unsurprising.


And you thought I hadn't learned anything from you and your cronies in this thread.




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 03:31 AM
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a reply to: greencmp

PS, your source for the claim that Adolf Hitler was influenced by Margaret Sanger?

Anyone interested in the actual source materials of Sanger's writings and speeches can check out The Margaret Sanger Project at New York University

Here's an ACTUAL Sanger quote, relevant to the topic of Hitler and the Nazis:



The first thing I want to say in relation to my attitude regarding the present War and World Peace is that before Hitler came into power in Germany I was one of the few Americans who joined the Anti-Nazi Committee and gave money, my name and any influence I had with writers and others, to combat Hitler's rise to power in Germany.


Source

In other words, Sanger was fighting against Nazism while Prescott Bush and his buddies were still supporting them.

Just coincidentally to our topic, this essay contains a meaningful quote:



By every means available this Committee tried to arouse the interest of England's Prime Minister and Press, to combat the advance of Nazism. They refused to print the warnings or to listen to the facts given until the Jewish bankers in Europe began to realize that Nazism was a twin sister to Communism as far as private property was concerned.


Now, some of you would gleefully quote this and say "Margaret Sanger said the Communists and the Nazis were the same." And indeed, she did, as regards the issue of private property. Which should tell us, although I'm sure it wouldn't, that the Soviet Communists and the German Nazis were the same in their love of totalitarian control.

Here's the last Sanger quote from that speech:



I refuse to be pro-British, or pro-France, as I refuse to be pro-German or pro-Russian, or pro-anything, but a thinking, reasoning, human being whose nation is the World, and whose religion is Humanity.

We set apart and give power to a set of men called to represent a Nation. They are supposed to have greater ability and knowledge of international affairs than most of us, and it is to these men whom we trust to safeguard our liberties, independence and our National welfare. When these men or any set of men fail to live up to the trust imposed in them and ruthlessly plunge their own nation into war, regardless of warnings, then it seems to me such men or group of men should resign their positions over to others more representative of the peoples ideals.


That is, you know, Sanger's actual words even with some actual context, not cherry-picked, out-of-context, deceitfully misrespresented garbage from an anti-choice site.
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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 03:40 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Adolf Hitler

Edit to add: and you deleted your original comment, classy.

I will have to remember to quote you.

Touché
edit on 29-8-2015 by greencmp because: (no reason given)



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