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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Danke




Also there has been a sharp increase in mental health issues with the younger generations that can be at least partially linked to the current PC environment via things like micro aggressions which isn't good for anyone.


Trigger warning: Universities are now pumping out this sort of archetype like a factory.


Which was why I brought it up in the first place. This isn't speculation, this is fact. This is the norm, and the unfortunate reality of that is most college students/professors are on the left side politically. I dare say the far left side, and they are the future of America and have a big influence on society already.

Which is why I said earlier that over the last decade or so I have become increasingly scared of what the left has been morphing into.




posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:13 PM
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a reply to: intrepid

Sounds good to me. Let me know what's required, and which side I'll be arguing.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: Danke

A number of sources disagree with the old saw that "universities are leftist."

Particularly students:




Nearly two in three (65%) college students worry that government is getting too involved in the issue of morality while 33% say that government should do more to promote morality in society. There is no partisan division on this cultural
assessment as Democrats (64% government too involved), independents (66%), and Republicans (66%) all find common ground here.

However when it comes to economic matters, a slim majority of college students (54%) believe that we need a strong government to handle today’s complex economic problems while 40% take the other side that states the free
market can handle today’s complex economic problems without government being involved. And the partisan unity dissipates on economic concerns as majorities of Democrats (68%) and independents (52%) agree that we need a strong
government to handle economic problems while 63% of Republicans take the free market position.

What emerges from these two questions is a significant strain of libertarian attitudes among college students. In fact, three in 10 (30%) students take both libertarian positions on the economic and cultural statements. These libertarians are more likely to be Republican than the overall sample (45% compared with 28% overall) as well as white (72% compared with 65%).


2012 Survey of America's College Students

Other sources are available with similar findings.
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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Danke

A number of sources disagree with the old saw that "universities are leftist."

Particularly students:




Nearly two in three (65%) college students worry that government is getting too involved in the issue of morality while 33% say that government should do more to promote morality in society. There is no partisan division on this cultural
assessment as Democrats (64% government too involved), independents (66%), and Republicans (66%) all find common ground here.

However when it comes to economic matters, a slim majority of college students (54%) believe that we need a strong government to handle today’s complex economic problems while 40% take the other side that states the free
market can handle today’s complex economic problems without government being involved. And the partisan unity dissipates on economic concerns as majorities of Democrats (68%) and independents (52%) agree that we need a strong
government to handle economic problems while 63% of Republicans take the free market position.

What emerges from these two questions is a significant strain of libertarian attitudes among college students. In fact, three in 10 (30%) students take both libertarian positions on the economic and cultural statements. These libertarians are more likely to be Republican than the overall sample (45% compared with 28% overall) as well as white (72% compared with 65%).


2012 Survey of America's College Students

Other sources are available with similar findings.


Did you even read that study you linked. On page three it says:


Obama leads Romney in a general election matchup by 58% to 25%, which
is on par with Obama’s lead against John McCain in the 2008 Panetta
Institute survey (59% to 27%).



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:24 PM
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As it turns out, a new book by sociologist Neil Gross of the University of British Columbia proves through extensive data analysis on the politics of professors that conservatives are right that academia leans to the left. But according to Gross, conservatives are totally wrong about the cause of this phenomenon—and its effects.Why Are Professors Liberal and Why Do Conservatives Care? is full of statistics on the liberal voting preferences and political and cultural self-identification of academics. Some facts from the book:

50 percent of professors describe themselves as being "left or liberal." That puts the professoriate considerably to the left of the country as a whole; Gross estimates that professors are "about three times more liberal on average" than American adults.
However, just 8 to 9 percent of college faculty can be accurately described as "far left" or "radical"—and the percentage is even smaller among younger faculty. "The professorate is obviously not bursting at the seams with revolutionaries," writes Gross.
19 percent of professors could be called "moderates."
On the right, Gross estimates that economic conservatives comprise just 4 percent of academia, and that 23 percent of academics are social and pro-military conservatives. In general, conservatives "tend to cluster in fields like accounting, management information, marketing, and electrical engineering" and economics.
Professors are also less religious than average Americans—but this, too, shouldn't be overblown. Research by Gross has shown that just over half believe in God.


Mother Jones - Yes, Liberals Rule the Ivory Tower, but not for the reasons you think ...



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:28 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

Back to the nominal topic ... fascism is nationalistic, totalitarian, and authoritarian.

Is this a simple explanation of the concept we can all agree upon?


Sure.

So is Marxism.

But genuine Conservatism requires none of the above.




posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:28 PM
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So, Danke, yes, it's fair to say that there is a "liberal" majority among US Universities ... but that is hardly equitable to what you seem to mean when you say "left" (Marxists and communists).

Universities are more liberal, churches are more conservative.

Generic statements.

However, as far as what you said goes ...



This is the norm, and the unfortunate reality of that is most college students/professors are on the left side politically. I dare say the far left side, and they are the future of America and have a big influence on society already.


All liberals are not Marxists or Communists.

All liberals are not even Socialists.

And liberal does not equate automatically to "far left."

And all college students and professors are not "far left."



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:29 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Define what you mean by "Marxism" in this instance.

You use the word in so many different contexts.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:29 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

You are failing just stop. From your previous survey you linked it says on page 3:


Obama leads Romney in a general election matchup by 58% to 25%, which
is on par with Obama’s lead against John McCain in the 2008 Panetta
Institute survey (59% to 27%).


What is so hard to understand about that? For goodness sake...

You know the left is getting bad when a previous hardcore lefty like myself, now an independent, feels the need to fight the growing evil that is the left more than the evil that is the right.

Seriously, I hate arguing with people and getting nowhere 99% of the time. I have better things to do with my time that would keep me much happier and more sane. The reason I do this is because I see a growing problem and if I don't speak out against it who will?

The parties are more polarized than ever right now, so the left won't listen to anything the right has to say even if they are correct, and the vice versa.

The world needs more logical and centered people to fix what the R's and D's have completely destroyed. Both parties are full of ignorant entitled brats and things need to change.

Maybe I will stop trying though, and just sit back and watch the world burn.
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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:31 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

The origins of "the right" and Conservatism are support for Monarchy and a strict social and legal order.

US Conservatism, traditionally, has favored obedience to the government, tradition and religious commandments.

Can you disagree with that? If so, provide your logic.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: Danke

Your post makes no sense. How exactly am I "failing"?

So, you're presenting yourself as "the measure of all things"?

LOL ... right, and I'm the one here that is failing.

As to the source you are quoting, you've taken it so far out of context it has no meaning in regard to anything you've claimed.

Are you saying that because, at the time of that survey in 2012, Obama was leading Romney that proves that all academia is "leftist"?

You can't be that simple-minded.

Quote something around your cherry-picked example:



On the other hand, the Republican primary has had a negative impact on the Republican Party as 50% of college students say it has made them feel less favorable toward the Republican Party and 9% say it has made them feel more favorable toward it. And the four Republican challengers all are viewed more negatively than positively by college students, including the presumptive nominee, Mitt Romney (21% positive, 42% negative).


You're claiming because college kids thought Obama was cooler than Romney that PROVES that your silly comment about leftists is correct?

LOL ... look up the definition of the phrase "epic fail" 'cause that's what you're doing.

Although, as opposed to you, I don't want you to stop. Please further enlighten us with your political acumen!
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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

It helps if you understand what Fascism actually is. You will find the principles and characteristic of Fascism explained in the words of an actual Fascist here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Totalitarianism can be found on both the Left and Right; Fascism, properly defined, is to be found on the Right. Marxist totalitarianism is to be found on the Left. Like so many things, the political spectrum seems to circle back on itself at the extremes.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:44 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Danke

Your post makes no sense. How exactly am I "failing"?

So, you're presenting yourself as "the measure of all things"?

LOL ... right, and I'm the one here that is failing.

Which source are you quoting? You've taken it so far out of context it has no meaning in regard to anything you've claimed.


Are you serious? I clicked on your link you used as PROOF to try and prove me wrong, started reading it unlike anybody else on this joke of a forum ever does, and on page 3 found that stat. It shows a HUGE majority of college students voted for the left in the last 2 elections. How does that not prove most college students are on the left side? For f's sake.

I truly hope you are playing dumb, otherwise that is just pathetic.

P.S. - If you really need that much help finding your own damn link from 10 minutes ago here you go....

here you go you very special person you


Now stop replying to me I won't respond back to people like you.
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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: Danke

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Danke

Your post makes no sense. How exactly am I "failing"?

So, you're presenting yourself as "the measure of all things"?

LOL ... right, and I'm the one here that is failing.

Which source are you quoting? You've taken it so far out of context it has no meaning in regard to anything you've claimed.


Are you serious? I clicked on your link you used as PROOF to try and prove me wrong, started reading it unlike anybody else on this joke of a forum ever does, and on page 3 found that stat. It shows a HUGE majority of college students voted for the left in the last 2 elections. How does that not prove most college students are on the left side?


Basic sociology. There's an old saying, "If you are young and aren't liberal, you have no heart. If you are older and aren't conservative, you have no brain." Younger people are just more apt to be liberal.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:50 PM
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Basic sociology. There's an old saying, "If you are young and aren't liberal, you have no heart. If you are older and aren't conservative, you have no brain." Younger people are just more apt to be liberal.


Exactly. I have always loved that quote.
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I do think it needs to be tweaked though, because an independent uses the best of both worlds.
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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:57 PM
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originally posted by: LDragonFire
a reply to: xuenchen

This has been preached by the extreme right for a few years now, just rewriting history IMO.



I am astounded by the lack of understanding of such critical distinctions.

This is book burning without the conflagration, mind burning. It is a travesty that so many fail to see that the mob mentality, currently underway, is nearly indistinguishable from the circumstances which preceded the self-destruction of many societies.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

-George Santayana



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 05:00 PM
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a reply to: Danke

You didn't read the link, you skimmed until you found something that fit what you were looking for.

You want to summarize a 27 page report into one bullet point that you took out of context???

Because they voted for Obama college kids are "on the left"??? No, all that proves is that they favored Obama more than Romney (as did a majority of Americans it turns out).

You made an ridiculous, expansive statement based on the right-wingnut garbage you ingest and now you're ...

What else was said in the 27 pages of the report? Hmmm. Why not address what I quoted for you rather than stupidly trying to find something you think proves "all universities are far left" ...

Yeah, I'm the "mentally challenged" one in this situation. I QUOTED from the report to you clear evidence that shows that a significant portion of American college students were LIBERTARIAN for gods' sake.

Do you think that LIBERTARIANS are "far left."

No, what you did was what every other shallow wingnut mouth-breather does and skimmed until you found something that you thought proved your point, got all excited and copy-pasted.

Kids thought Obama was cool. They didn't think Romney was. Most of America didn't either ...

I guess by your logic, that means that most of America is "leftist" as well???

Try thinking before typing.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: [post=19723473]grandmakdw[/post

Words is all your party has left. That is a shame.


What the hell is wrong with words?



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 05:01 PM
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a reply to: greencmp

Any evidence or even a clear statement of what you're trying to argue?

Thx.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: LDragonFire
a reply to: xuenchen

This has been preached by the extreme right for a few years now, just rewriting history IMO.



I am astounded by the lack of understanding of such critical distinctions.

This is book burning without the conflagration, mind burning. It is a travesty that so many fail to see that the mob mentality, currently underway, is nearly indistinguishable from the circumstances which preceded the self-destruction of many societies.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

-George Santayana


Well said!




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