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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: greencmp
I would say so, the bill collector can't legally throw you in prison.

Sure they can if it's part of the system. Debtors' prisons have existed.


I do find it ironic that one of the great achievements of our country, the elimination of debtor's prison, was brought back due to the enactment of the 16th amendment.


Good Point.

People are in prison for tax debt.





posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

So with all the systems, how would you place them onto a scale?

Perhaps a circular scale with "Left" and "Right" in close proximity to the "12" on a clock for example.




posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:34 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

Why did he bother to list out the other 8 then?



Those get enforced by government policies.

But it requires the 2 main ones to make it "work" according to Marx.




posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:35 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

You've really never seen the political compass?
edit on 28-8-2015 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

So with all the systems, how would you place them onto a scale?

Perhaps a circular scale with "Left" and "Right" in close proximity to the "12" on a clock for example.



Why must these selected political systems be graphed in some way?

What is the value of comparing them in some realistic-looking model that does nothing to explain anything about the realities of humans living under them?

My answer: I personally favor, without hesitation, a constitutional republic with a mixed economy.

Next?



posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: yesyesyes

Not quite JeanP.

Most of that is irrelevant.




posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:39 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

Why did he bother to list out the other 8 then?



Those get enforced by government policies.

But it requires the 2 main ones to make it "work" according to Marx.



To make what "work" exactly, a 45 page concept of Communism from 1840s London? Okay.

Where is this version of British Communism working again, exactly?




posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:41 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Oh OK.

So we shouldn't even "classify" any political/social/economic systems based on differences then.

Even though the differences vary enough to see differences.

Hmmm.

That's part of the Genuine Conservative thinking.

Although they prefer to see the differences with the authoritarian polices and then avoid and eliminate as necessary.




posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:42 PM
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However, what cannot be denied, and what has been pointed out time after time in post after post, both systems required unquestioning obedience to the State which is and has been more of a traditional "Right Wing" idea than a Left one.


I would have to agree. But then again the social darwinism, the eugenics, and the romanticism are undeniably left wing notions.



posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:49 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: xuenchen

You've really never seen the political compass?


That's always a fun exercise.

I came out fully left libertarian ... not surprised at all.



posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:51 PM
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You need to study things from the The Frankfurt School.
********

I see your attempt to nullify the differences as a deflection.

That also was/is the basis for the "denazification" programs (that apparently seem to still be ongoing).

Early "denazification" started in the 1920s as an effort to establish "differences" between Fascism and Communism and then some American policies in the 1930s.

It was called Fascist scrubbing.




posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:52 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66


However, what cannot be denied, and what has been pointed out time after time in post after post, both systems required unquestioning obedience to the State which is and has been more of a traditional "Right Wing" idea than a Left one.


I would have to agree. But then again the social darwinism, the eugenics, and the romanticism are undeniably left wing notions.


I can understand to some degree why you would refer to romanticism as "left wing" (as idealistic?) ... but I'm afraid I can't go there with Social Darwinism or eugenics.

Because both rely on the concept of an innate hierarchy of worth (right wing) as opposed to a relative equality of all persons (left wing.)



posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:53 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: xuenchen

You've really never seen the political compass?


HaHa

The questions are tainted and one sided aren't they.

Very clever.

That "compass" has been debunked already here on ATS.




posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

You need to study things from the The Frankfurt School.
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I see your attempt to nullify the differences as a deflection.

That also was/is the basis for the "denazification" programs (that apparently seem to still be ongoing).

Early "denazification" started in the 1920s as an effort to establish "differences" between Fascism and Communism and then some American policies in the 1930s.

It was called Fascist scrubbing.



I'm very familiar with right-wingers ravings about The Frankfurt School ... and I'm also familiar with other von Mises' theorizing.

Nullify the differences ... in what? I suggested that analysis of differences in political systems were more COMPLEX than you are desperately trying to portray them. I certainly said nothing along the lines of "there are no differences."

Did you get lost or did you just give up?

"Fascist Scrubbing" eh? Well, why not. While in the land of make-believe ...

I'm tired, Foxy. Have fun sowing the seeds of Eris.



posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: xuenchen

You've really never seen the political compass?


That's always a fun exercise.

I came out fully left libertarian ... not surprised at all.


Same here. I am below Gandhi which is pretty funny. But he rocked.



posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 05:14 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

I didn't mean the site itself, I meant the layout of the graph.

I've never even bothered with the questions.



posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 05:29 PM
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Still not seeing any real evidence to the contrary of Fascism is "Left Wing".

In fact, I've seen more evidence that makes it Left Wing.


Scorecard:

Fascism is "Right Wing" = +1

Fascism is "Left Wing" = +9

Fascism is "Authoritarian" = +12




And still not seeing any other "compasses" or "straight-line" rearranging either.



posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 05:31 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: xuenchen

I didn't mean the site itself, I meant the layout of the graph.

I've never even bothered with the questions.


Well here's where I would be if the questions were not skewed.





posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 05:36 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

No you wouldn't.

Now I see why the scoreboard is where it's at.



posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 05:37 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Taxes rather than user fees might be a good dividing line.

Sounds like a good dividing line but at what point does a fee become a tax?

Is it just semantics?

Is paying the bill collector any different than paying the tax man?


A small government has specific functions. An individual would pay when he used them, like court fees or filing fees. They could be called taxes, I'm note sure of the philology. The government would never collect money with out explicitly stating what tax or fee is to pay for.




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