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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 02:59 PM
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An opinion from a scholarly source.

Left ists become incandescent when reminded of the socialist roots of Nazism


On 16 June 1941, as Hitler readied his forces for Operation Barbarossa, Josef Goebbels looked forward to the new order that the Nazis would impose on a conquered Russia. There would be no come-back, he wrote, for capitalists nor priests nor Tsars. Rather, in the place of debased, Jewish Bolshevism, the Wehrmacht would deliver “der echte Sozialismus”: real socialism.


Hitler told Hermann Rauschning, a Prussian who briefly worked for the Nazis before rejecting them and fleeing the country, that he had admired much of the thinking of the revolutionaries he had known as a young man; but he felt that they had been talkers, not doers. “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun,” he boasted, adding that “the whole of National Socialism” was “based on Marx”.







posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 03:00 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Nope, not avoiding anything Foxy.

The idea of "central banking" was hardly an original Marxist (that's the adjective you're mangling) idea.

Remember the issues that Thomas Jefferson had with a National Bank?

Neither did Karl, Zeppo or Gummo come up with the concept of Taxation ... if you remember, even Jesus Christ answered a question about taxes supposedly 2000 years before any Marx said anything.

So, sorry, Marx didn't come up with the concept of a Central Bank nor Taxation ... so, swing and a miss as usual.

But thanks for playing, really.





posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 03:01 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen


originally posted by: xuenchen
An opinion from a scholarly source.

Left ists become incandescent when reminded of the socialist roots of Nazism



The UK Telegraph is now a "scholarly source"?

Oh well, why not?

Considering the whoppers that are being told here, we'll go with it.

One problem though ... from your "source":



"Instead of spreading itself across different nations, it would operate within the unit of the Volk."


Right, so, as has been pointed out numerous times to zero effect, when Nazis talk about "sozialismus" they AREN'T TALKING about anything we know of or would recognize (via Marx, et. al.) as socialism, but a kind of hyper-nationalism further symbolizing and reinforcing the superiority of the German People.

Yep, still about German Nationalism.

Awww. So close too.

NOT!
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posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I think you put this matter to rest with this post. It would be really disingenuous for any side to make claims of any monopoly on fascism. Though I personally think liberals are more conformist than conservatives. To be fair I haven't met any gun toting Texans so I sort of idolize their ruggedness because of a total lack of such characters where I'm at.

Liberals fell for the oldest trick in the female book of deceit. Women succeeded in changing them into girly men. Liberals were like: "Look at how sensitive and caring I am, surely this will impress the girls. And if I call myself a feminist maybe I'll get laid." "I'm a man of the 90's, I hold my girlfriends bag"
Generation X were probably the first generation that inherited the gay/girly gene because their feminist parents wouldn't let them conform to heteronormative(yes, it's true they really use terms like this) gender roles. Now we're two generations of gaiety past that and I'm wondering if I'm the only real man left. It's like being Sylvester Stallone in Demolition Man except I get no Pizza Hut.




posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Liberals fell for the oldest trick in the female book of deceit. Women succeeded in changing them into girly men. Liberals were like: "Look at how sensitive and caring I am, surely this will impress the girls. And if I call myself a feminist maybe I'll get laid." "I'm a man of the 90's, I hold my girlfriends bag"
Generation X were probably the first generation that inherited the gay/girly gene because their feminist parents wouldn't let them conform to heteronormative(yes, it's true they really use terms like this) gender roles. Now we're two generations of gaiety past that and I'm wondering if I'm the only real man left. It's like being Sylvester Stallone in Demolition Man except I get no Pizza Hut.


This is priceless. I just want to make certain we have a clear record of the many examples of "support" for the idea and the acolytes promoting the doctrine that Fascism is Far Left.

So ... let's see what we have here ... liberalism supports "female deceit" which is part of a plot on the part of all "Women" everywhere to turn all men ... gay? And this only happened in the 1990s?

Oh, yes ... you LaughingRiot are the "only real man left" ... probably about as real as the characters dat Sly plays in da movies.

....

You really can't make this stuff up. It's better than Comedy Central!

(Still miss Jon Stewart, though.)
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posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Ah yes but Marx emphasized it 100%.

And all the Marxist governments endorse it wholeheartedly don't they.



posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 03:40 PM
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More about Fascist Nazi economics ....

Loads of Socialist ideas there.

Economy of Nazi Germany


(note the "sources" are books too !!

Just like the wiki "definition" of Fascism)



posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 03:43 PM
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More things in common with the USSR also, especially economic.

Nazi–Soviet economic relations (1934–41)




posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Taxes rather than user fees might be a good dividing line.

Sounds like a good dividing line but at what point does a fee become a tax?

Is it just semantics?

Is paying the bill collector any different than paying the tax man?


I would say so, the bill collector can't legally throw you in prison.



posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 03:47 PM
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Should we leave socialism behind for a few? Give the old gal a rest?

Here's the primary positions of the OP.

All political systems can be arranged in a one-dimensional dimensional representation with the political Left at one side and the political Right on the other.

Every political group, socio-economic group, and even individuals can be clearly identified and completely described by their position on, what is basically, a number-line.

The standard and historical definitions of right and left are ignored in favor of the irrational idea that Far Right = Anarchy and Far Left=Totalitarianism.

Again, reducing the complexities of thousands of years of human history and hundreds of countries and political systems down to fit neatly, as defined by the author of the article, on a single line.

Fair enough? Moving on then.

Here's the blatant, low-hanging problems with all of that nonsense:

The idea that qualities of a single human much less countries, principalities, parties, powers, etc., can be reduced to a linear representation is patently absurd.

The concept that all of humanity can be described between the extremes of only two characteristics (any two) is beyond ridiculous.

The belief that words have no real meaning and can therefore be used and shifted according to nothing more than personal preference or temporary agenda is ludicrous and insulting. This results in an impossibility of communication.

The arbitrary convenience of placing a multitude of people and ideas from centuries of human history on a single dimension is simply ignorant and without any scientific, logical or reasonable basis.



posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

Ah yes but Marx emphasized it 100%.

And all the Marxist governments endorse it wholeheartedly don't they.



So neither central banking or taxation were originated by Marx? Yeah, that's what I thought.

And both these points represent less than 20% of what you cling to as the whole explanation of all Communism (particularly of the Communist League of London in the mid 19th century, lets forget that fact) by your own admission?

You don't see how badly you're missing the point, do you?
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posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 03:50 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp
I would say so, the bill collector can't legally throw you in prison.

Sure they can if it's part of the system. Debtors' prisons have existed.



posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

LOL ... and now you just make post after post with link after link in some sort of desperate flurry to appear like you're using "scholarly sources"?

When you totally trashed out the value of "scholarly sources" about 20 pages ago???

Wow. I thought guttersnipe hypocrisy was too strong a way to phrase it but ... this is simply phenomenal.

You decided to try to defend from the "Ivory Tower" now? LOL ... it's like we're playing a game of RISK™ ...



posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:05 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
posted by: xuenchen


So neither central banking or taxation were originated by Marx? Yeah, that's what I thought.

And both these points represent less than 20% of what you cling to as the whole explanation of both Communism (particularly of the Communist League of London in the mid 19th century) by your own admission?

You don't see how badly you're missing the point, do you?


Ahh but Marx emphasized those 2 points as necessary for his Communist system to succeed.

And as it stands today, all the governments are using those as a base for massive authoritarianism.

All the other, underlying authoritarian policies are secondary.

Those 2 are necessary.

And it's all "Left Wing" isn't it, because the genuine "Right Wing" policies are not in favor of those policies being paramount to a successful system.

Fascism uses both as necessary also.

Therefore, Fascism is "Left Wing".




posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:06 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: greencmp
I would say so, the bill collector can't legally throw you in prison.

Sure they can if it's part of the system. Debtors' prisons have existed.


But don't debtor's prisons require government authority?




posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:08 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
But don't debtor's prisons require government authority?

No.

I'm sure a private system would be used in an AC society.
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posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: greencmp
I would say so, the bill collector can't legally throw you in prison.

Sure they can if it's part of the system. Debtors' prisons have existed.


I do find it ironic that one of the great achievements of our country, the elimination of debtor's prison, was brought back due to the enactment of the 16th amendment.



posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:16 PM
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Why did he bother to list out the other 8 then?

ALL the governments are using those (central banking and taxation, around for hundreds of years before Karl Marx) as a base for massive authoritarianism?

Yes, Xuenchen, governments tend to be authoritarian in their general outlook ( pssst ... that's what "authoritarian" means).

When I hear you say "All the other, underlying, authoritarian policies are secondary" what I actually hear is "I only have two items here to try desperately to make stick, so I'm going to emphasize those."

Aside from the facts that you're making generalized statements about nothing ...

Again, "Left Wing" policies, in general are in favor of the People ... "Right Wing" policies are in favor of the Government.

Authoritarianism is not always "in favor" of the People but is always "in favor" of the Government by definition.

I don't think the situation we are discussing is that simple, but, if you must have it stated as simply as possible, here you go:

Since authoritarians (and Fascists) worship the State and Government, they are Right Wing (if we can only choose between two extremist options rather than a realistic analysis.)

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posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:17 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: greencmp
I would say so, the bill collector can't legally throw you in prison.

Sure they can if it's part of the system. Debtors' prisons have existed.


I do find it ironic that one of the great achievements of our country, the elimination of debtor's prison, was brought back due to the enactment of the 16th amendment.


Don't forget the use of torture and the suspension of habeas corpus under the "fascist" Bush II Administration.

While we're enumerating ...
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posted on Aug, 28 2015 @ 04:24 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: xuenchen
But don't debtor's prisons require government authority?

No.

I'm sure a private system would be used in an AC society.


"Fee-based containment services" I'm sure ... like prisons would ever be run as private corporate ... HEY, wait a dern minute!!!




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