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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: seeker1963

Go through any forum here.

Count the whining posts about being "mistreated and victimized."

When you find out that the vast majority are authored by Right Wingers and Christians, come back here and apologize if you have any dignity or pride in what you claim.

"Grow up" my left hind foot. What a joke! What are you crying about here?

"Boo hoo, I don't agree with anybody's politics because I'm a special little flower. I'm the only one that sees the truth!"

Give us a break. Put your own house in order first, then come back and presume to tell us what to do.


Progressive have become the new Religion! You're blind as hell, if you think Christians cry more than the Politically Correct crowd or the Social Justice Warriors!

Damn shame you call someone else a crybaby when tears flow out your eyes every day over nothing more than someone getting their feelings hurt over nothing more than a few syllables!

Freedom of Speech you say? lol

edit on 21-8-2015 by seeker1963 because: (no reason given)




posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:46 PM
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Im lost here, does this mean that i aint a communist anymore, that my new tag is facist, its getting hard following politics these days.

The right wing fanatics, rewriting history 1 word at a time.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

This is wrong, but why does it matter? Extreme far left is as dangerous as extreme far right.
Fascism generally follows an extreme far right ideology. A lot of people think this way because Hitler gave his party a name that alluded to being left wing. In reality he was far righ and fascist.

Stalin was communist and killed many more people than Hitler.
Extremes of either said is terrible fascist doesnt mean worse. Why do conservatives/right wingers fear that fascism is extreme right wing? Do they want to be able to be extreme rigght wing and not have it be fascism?

What do you guys thinknthe result of extreme right wing is if not fasicm?

P.s. fascism is extreme right wing.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: Danke


f you read that article I posted it talks about how even liberal professors are scared of their liberal students.


That is HILARIOUS.

Because professors aren't teaching anymore. Their TA"s are. Most professors are there for the grant money to continue their research. Universities are a breading ground for SJW's and their idiot ideas like ' micro aggression'.

This whole PC issue came out of universities, and not because of the institutions, but because the kids attending them don't have to give up a damn thing for their beliefs. You used to get beat and go to jail. Now you get what, a social shamming?

Lol.

Tough cookies.

Bunch of entitled brats being spoon fed their parent's money in an institution that cares nothing for them other than bringing in the money they have.

Our current social paradigm is a direct result of our failure to properly educate our last 2 generations.

IMO

~Tenth
edit on 8/21/2015 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

This debate isn't new. Nearly every political ideology has been charged with Fascism at one point or another, and because of this, it has become meaningless pejorative.

This was happening in Orwell's time. So no this isn't an example of conservative re-writing history. He said it more succinctly than I could:

What is Fascism?
edit on 21-8-2015 by LesMisanthrope because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:52 PM
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Or we can look at the definition, and how what is known as fascism emerged, historically speaking...


fascism
[fash-iz-uh m]
noun
1.
(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2.
(sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3.
(initial capital letter) a political movement that employs the principles and methods of fascism, especially the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.



History - Encyclopedia
Origins of Fascism
While socialism (particularly Marxism) came into existence as a clearly formulated theory or program based on a specific interpretation of history, fascism introduced no systematic exposition of its ideology or purpose other than a negative reaction against socialist and democratic egalitarianism. The growth of democratic ideology and popular participation in politics in the 19th cent. was terrifying to some conservative elements in European society, and fascism grew out of the attempt to counter it by forming mass parties based largely on the middle classes and the petty bourgeoisie, exploiting their fear of political domination by the lower classes. Forerunners of fascism, such as Georges Boulanger in France and Adolf Stöker and Karl Lueger in Germany and Austria, in their efforts to gain political power played on people's fears of revolution with its subsequent chaos, anarchy, and general insecurity. They appealed to nationalist sentiments and prejudices, exploited anti-Semitism, and portrayed themselves as champions of law, order, Christian morality, and the sanctity of private property.

Source

OR, for another source:


The history of Fascist ideology, or fascism and ideology, is long and involves many sources. Fascists took inspiration from as far back as the Spartans for their focus on racial purity and emphasis on rule by an elite minority; it has also been connected to the ideals of Plato, though there are key differences. In Italy, Fascism styled itself as the ideological successor of Rome, particularly the Roman Empire. The Enlightenment-era concept of a "high and noble" Aryan culture as opposed to a "parasitic" Semitic culture was core to Nazi racial views; from the same era, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel's view on the absolute authority of the state also strongly influenced Fascist thinking. The French Revolution was a major influence insofar as the Nazis saw themselves as fighting back against many of the ideas it brought to prominence, especially liberalism, liberal democracy, and racial equality; on the other hand, Fascism drew heavily on the revolutionary ideal of nationalism.
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Soooo... How is fasicm a "liberal left" movement? Answer: It's NOT. It is a reaction against liberal left movements.
I can't help it if history doesn't agree with you.

Liberal left movements aren't all shiny and without flaws, but they are not inherently fascist. Let's compare:


While communism is a system based around a theory of economic equality and advocates for a classless society, fascism is a nationalistic, top-down system with rigid class roles that is ruled by an all-powerful dictator. Both communism and fascism originated in Europe and gained popularity in the early to mid 20th century.


Communism is a "people's uprising" type of movement based on railing against elites and rigid class structures that prevent upward mobility and create large masses of impoverished folks. The beginnings of Communism looked a lot more like the Occupy Wall Street movement than the hyper-nationalistic and racist beginnings of Nazism and Mussolini.

- AB

edit on 21-8-2015 by AboveBoard because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: seeker1963

Go through any forum here.

Count the whining posts about being "mistreated and victimized."

When you find out that the vast majority are authored by Right Wingers and Christians, come back here and apologize if you have any dignity or pride in what you claim.

"Grow up" my left hind foot. What a joke! What are you crying about here?

"Boo hoo, I don't agree with anybody's politics because I'm a special little flower. I'm the only one that sees the truth!"

Give us a break. Put your own house in order first, then come back and presume to tell us what to do.


Progressive have become the new Religion! You're blind as hell, if you think Christians cry more than the Politically Correct crowd or the Social Justice Warriors!

Damn shame you call someone else a crybaby when tears flow out your eyes every day over nothing more than someone getting their feelings hurt over nothing more than a few syllables!

Freedom of Speech you say? lol


Why do these conservative whine about abortion, gay rights, women's rights, etc? I mean after whining about how their Christian values are being supplanted?

I look at it from the outside. Yes both sides DO create propaganda, well, total BS at time BUT the depth and frequency of this comes hard from starboard.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:53 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

Bet you didn't bother to go count, did you? Why? Because you like the rest of your right-wing cronies don't have to make any statements of fact, you just babble on about what you believe, and that's supposed to pass.

No, you don't have to actually go look, because while you claim to be non-partisan, out whips the "PROGRESSIVES *shakes fist at sky*" in your first counter-post. You're a winger, you just don't have the guts to admit it.

Tears flow out of my eyes? LOL ... do you listen to what you write? I'd ask you to quote what you're talking about, but you can't because I've NEVER uttered a word in favor of someone "getting their feelings hurt." I speak in favor of equity before the laws. But again, don't let the actual facts bother your diatribe.

Yeah, freedom of speech, you know, that idea that you think only applies to people who think just like you.

Your position is absurd.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: seeker1963

Bet you didn't bother to go count, did you? Why? Because you like the rest of your right-wing cronies don't have to make any statements of fact, you just babble on about what you believe, and that's supposed to pass.

No, you don't have to actually go look, because while you claim to be non-partisan, out whips the "PROGRESSIVES *shakes fist at sky*" in your first counter-post. You're a winger, you just don't have the guts to admit it.

Tears flow out of my eyes? LOL ... do you listen to what you write? I'd ask you to quote what you're talking about, but you can't because I've NEVER uttered a word in favor of someone "getting their feelings hurt." I speak in favor of equity before the laws. But again, don't let the actual facts bother your diatribe.

Yeah, freedom of speech, you know, that idea that you think only applies to people who think just like you.

Your position is absurd.


Yep! Just as absurd as what you believe in!

So when do we destroy each other because we are too stubborn to compromise?
edit on 21-8-2015 by seeker1963 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:55 PM
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a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

Extremism, of any stripe, is the "danger."

Excellent point that will be lost in the shuffle.

But, for what it's worth:



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:56 PM
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I say we kill everyone who doesn't think like us.

Who's with me!

Um, what are you doing with that knife Carl? What are you-. . . . . . . . . . .



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Danke


f you read that article I posted it talks about how even liberal professors are scared of their liberal students.


That is HILARIOUS.

Because professors aren't teaching anymore. Their TA"s are. Most professors are there for the grant money to continue their research. Universities are a breading ground for SJW's and their idiot ideas like ' micro aggression'.

This whole PC issue came out of universities, and not because of the institutions, but because the kids attending them don't have to give up a damn thing for their beliefs. You used to get beat and go to jail. Now you get what, a social shamming?

Lol.

Tough cookies.

Bunch of entitled brats being spoon fed their parent's money in an institution that cares nothing for them other than bringing in the money they have.

Our current social paradigm is a direct result of our failure to properly educate our last 2 generations.

IMO

~Tenth


Very true, but I think a lot of people(younger gen especially) would rather get beaten or thrown in jail over being socially bullied. That leads to a lot of depression, and sometimes suicide. Also there has been a sharp increase in mental health issues with the younger generations that can be at least partially linked to the current PC environment via things like micro aggressions which isn't good for anyone.
edit on 21-8-2015 by Danke because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

What have you offered in compromise?

You chimed in and told us how foolish we are.

You got it back, and didn't like it.

/shrug

Suggest a "compromise" rather than gesturing at empty air.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:58 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

I have a solution. We have a Debate Forum. If you two want to get it on I will set it up.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:02 PM
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Since no one bothered:



The terms "left" and "right" appeared during the French Revolution of 1789 when members of the National Assembly divided into supporters of the king to the president's right and supporters of the revolution to his left. One deputy, the Baron de Gauville explained, "We began to recognize each other: those who were loyal to religion and the king took up positions to the right of the chair so as to avoid the shouts, oaths, and indecencies that enjoyed free rein in the opposing camp." However the Right opposed the seating arrangement because they believed that deputies should support private or general interests but should not form factions or political parties. The contemporary press occasionally used the terms "left" and "right" to refer to the opposing sides.




The left–right political spectrum is a system of classifying political positions, ideologies and parties. Left-wing politics and right-wing politics are often presented as opposed, although a particular individual or group may take a left-wing stance on one matter and a right-wing stance on another. In France, where the terms originated, the Left has been called "the party of movement" and the Right "the party of order." The intermediate stance is called centrism and a person with such a position is a moderate.

There is general agreement that the Left includes: anarchists, anti-capitalists, anti-imperialists, autonomists, communists, democratic-socialists, feminists, greens, left-libertarians, progressives, secularists, socialists, social-democrats and social-liberals.

There is also general consensus that the Right includes: capitalists, conservatives, fascists, monarchists, nationalists, neoconservatives, neoliberals, reactionaries, right-libertarians, social-authoritarians, theocrats and traditionalists.


For convenience sake, these comments sourced from Wikipedia



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Gryphon66

I have a solution. We have a Debate Forum. If you two want to get it on I will set it up.



I'd pay to see that.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:04 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Gryphon66

I have a solution. We have a Debate Forum. If you two want to get it on I will set it up.



Surely we need something more significant to debate than our own petty opinions of each other.

I'm game. Let's name a topic.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: Danke




Also there has been a sharp increase in mental health issues with the younger generations that can be at least partially linked to the current PC environment via things like micro aggressions which isn't good for anyone.


Trigger warning: Universities are now pumping out this sort of archetype like a factory.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:09 PM
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Back to the nominal topic ... fascism is nationalistic, totalitarian, and authoritarian.

Is this a simple explanation of the concept we can all agree upon?



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:09 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Gryphon66

I have a solution. We have a Debate Forum. If you two want to get it on I will set it up.



Surely we need something more significant to debate than our own petty opinions of each other.


Personally I TOTALLY sick of that crap.


I'm game. Let's name a topic.


What about this one. Racism is Right/Left?




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